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Advocating for and with children : Comments
By Daniel Donahoo, published 9/3/2007Our real mistake is that we don’t trust ourselves to raise our own children.
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Posted by petal, Thursday, 15 March 2007 7:46:08 AM
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The pure and simple fact is that governments have removed the legal right of parents to raise their children by the use of employing male hating social workers who have more powers than the police and, by forcing parents to work hours that has taken them away from interacting with their children.
Governments refuse to take care of children. They are destroying education, future employment, financial rewards, social security(not welfare), turning a blind eye to rampant drugs, etc. When our youth grow sour and rebel, some behaving criminally, governments accuse parents of not parenting and threaten to punish parents for this. Yet, it was the governments whose interference which created this problem in the first place. Politicians, male hating feminists, communists, socialists and others are nothing but criminals. It is up to us, the people, the parents to stand up together and put them back into their little box. Posted by Spider, Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:18:10 PM
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Well said Spider. Couldnt have put it better.
Sam said, I dont necessarily think that you are 100% wrong. Its probably worse in the cities than where I live. What you seem to be advocating though is constant supervision of parents and their parenting skills. Even this wont give you the result you seek though as by undermining a parent by interfereing in their relationship with their child, you are furthering any disconnection to society that the child is already experiencing. I dont disagree that where there is obvious damaging abuse, then there needs to be intervention, but why have we as a society got to the stage where we need social workers to do this? Where is the extended group of family and friends? Posted by Country Gal, Sunday, 18 March 2007 2:08:44 PM
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Country gal wrote "to be advocating though is constant supervision of parents and their parenting skills" yes to children under 6years. They are too precious/fragile to stress/fear particularly from dependent parent. DSMiv(the psychiatrist bible) says 4weeks of such is enough to cause long-term psychiatric illness in these children...yep 4 weeks.
What stress/fear you ask...its the little-big things. eg force separate a dependent parent like father in dv/family court does is enough. Estimated more than 96% women sought this orders in family court. The court ordered most when government should have know better.(Yes,if vast numbers of fathers and children bring class action against manager of government, damages estimated in trillions in Australia. and same in England will bankrupt crown) With current shared parenting law this will become less of an issue... 6 to 12, need the proper matching of school teacher to child primarily and monitored for happy/learning child. 12 to 18 our teenage boys need help. Can a teenage boy compete with a girl at skill of monitoring feelings, assessing person and working out 'real intentions' during conversation...look around you. Girls are confident and charging life, while boys diffident and unsure, by the time they realize to assess with care they are in 30s and learnt from 'a harmful woman' usually with children by then... Everything is controlled around us, traffic, work, social conduct. But when one can become a parent. No training, testing, monitoring to the most precious ones of society. Even drug addicts/psychopaths/psychological abuser have no government/legal consequences. Spider is right in that so far the focus was to protect the woman by government/legal bodies.(http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/fhs/index.htm child protection wants more housing for women so they can be given the child, recommendation to the committee...) This must change to child... Sam Ps~to 'little' things that stress/fear in small child. Fathers...talk with a constant harsher tone of voice, and a constant feeling of dislike to your child and see how long they take to become fearfull/stressed(even with a false big smile)...remember to plan the comforting too before you try and then protect them from this...and tell other men about it... Posted by Sam said, Sunday, 18 March 2007 11:29:47 PM
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Sam said, do you also suggest that Big Brother comes and supervises how you brush your teeth at night, to make sure you dont get cavities? Puhlease! As a society, we cant pre-empt every thing that someone might do wrong. For the same reason we dont have a tracking device on every person just because they MIGHT commit a crime - we try to set up an environment that discourages crime, and we set penalties for doing so, but that's all we can do. We should do our best to give parents the tools that they need to help their children develop healthy attitudes to life and family, we should have penalties for those who abuse their children and we should seek to provide children with good social networks and outlets. BUt no WAY should we adopt a big brother approach of spying on people's private lives.
Sam, you appear to have the zeal of someone with a chip on their shoulder. Were you abused as a child? Feel neglected because daddy smacked your bottom once and made you go to your room? Did you get punished for something that you didnt do? I suspect that you need more help than MOST children aged 0-6. Posted by Country Gal, Monday, 19 March 2007 8:52:14 AM
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Careful now country girl, your mask is slipping and your fangs are beginning to show...
Since you asked, yes I was smacked as child but not lived in fear of it, so no psychological effect of it in adulthood... To a chip on my shoulder, I am a medical doctor, so it is my job training to follow facts with logical reasoning to come to conclusion... To big brother/sisterhood...as evidence is piling in, one pictures emerging is essentially 'mothers have been destroying children to control society'... if this is the biggest reason or not...but certainly the factor with the longest time to mature, number of young children are being harmed within the walls of your quiet suburban homes while father is at work and currently there is no safeguard for them as the children will behave as instructed by their dependent parent in public/home to avoid detection by public/father radar due to their dependency and unconditional love...the psychological harm is easier to detect and quantify, problem is there is no government established system of preventing further harm and monitoring including education/support of the father to ensure a recovering happy child by scientific markers... To date when such harmed children became news due to severity of suffering, trend was 'support the woman'...the result is woman= harm of children+father+extended family+society was fine...I am saying swap woman for child. Even highly specialized units like anna freud center www.annafreudcentre.org have struggled to help children because this form of psychological abuse by mother of child abuse reporting/study has been taboo(not sure of the mechanisms of enfocement but working on it)... eg live feed Michelle Leslie reason for decision in Bali, one reason judges gave for her pain was mothers abuse in childhood, seeking relief by drugs...I did not see not one corporate media reported this duri8ng the media circus...what I am saying is that lets go and find out the real facts of what is happening to our children... not the image currently being given that they are fine and so ignore them...while the numbers suggest that majority of children are being psychologically harmed... Sam Posted by Sam said, Monday, 19 March 2007 11:42:26 AM
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