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Climate change issues: the problem of unwarranted trust : Comments

By David Henderson, published 2/2/2007

There are good reasons to query the claims to authority and representative status made by and on behalf of the International Panel on Climate Change.

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There is more to global warming than yes or no. The degree of global warming and the effects on population and the environment have to be considered. The measurable fact that the last decade was the warmest ever measured will not be disputed. The follow up question is does it matter? Is the drought affecting Southern Australia directly attributable to global warming. Considering Australia has had droughts a lot worse than this, I would say no. The cool sea surface temperatures around the southern part of Australia have more to do with the drought than slightly elevated overall Earth temps.
Posted by seaweed, Sunday, 4 February 2007 4:31:19 PM
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Kenny, To whom are you directing your remarks please? At least have the guts to direct your comments where you mean rather than speaking to the sky, pontificating if you like.

Have you read the "Death by Black Hole" book? Written by a real lunatic. Check it out mate.
Posted by RobbyH, Sunday, 4 February 2007 5:44:14 PM
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just a quick comment...global warming as the 'average temperatures rising by a few degrees' does not quite explain the reality of effect.

Temperature is directly related to stored energy level (potential energy)... eg at -273 degrees centigrade, which is 0 kelvin, all atoms stop moving ie all things frozen solid, meaning the energy level is so low that all things we see around us now, like air moving, water as liquid, fire all ceases...

as temperature rises, the stored energy rises with it, in individual and as a whole eg earth. Think of it as the energy taken to heat the earth's air by 1 degree centigrade,... enormous, and which can be released eg water vapour in the air back as water in a storm (kinetic energy)...so if the temperature rises by 1 degree, the amount of stored energy has dramatically risen, I'm sure a good csiro scientist can give a good estimate

The second issue is the rate of release of that energy.. the temperature figure is the 'average'...so the known extremes to give that average will expand, ie more colder and hotter, so wind speeds higher, more release of water in rainfall to drought for longer period etc so increasingly vicious storms, drier prolonged droughts etc...making earth more dangerous for all living beings...

Sam
Ps~corporate media is now saying 'we humans' caused this...I think unbalanced greed of a few caused this and to affect all of us...
Posted by Sam said, Sunday, 4 February 2007 5:52:24 PM
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Sam said, If your alive today you are like us, all part of the problem.
It isn't a corporate issue. Or a rich mans issue. The answer lies in your personal carbon footprint. Corporate greed is not an entity that stands on it's own consumerism. It's the millions of got to haves.
For example; I followed the advent of the iPod. People had to have it as soon as it became a conversation on Cnet and like web tech-news sites. Strange of all is that the ipod is actually an inferior mp3 player not counting that with out third party apps. your left with an itunes only product. Which just goes to show you how Apple has to continue to produce an inferior product so the must haves can be hip and cool. Factor in designed obsolescence and media created demand and fashion trends and the waste machine rolls on.
This is not an issue where one gets to point fingers.
Posted by aqvarivs, Sunday, 4 February 2007 7:28:39 PM
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Perseus “that to doubt the validity of the extreme projections is to also doubt the very presence of any form of man induced warming.”

Exactly, Perseus. Skepticism is often, the last bastion of reason.

I personally believe the issue of Warming is inexorably interlinked to population growth.

Whilst some fashionable dullards look to reducing the life quality of individuals by seeking draconian actions to curb energy use through curbing personal discretion, all such actions are fraudulent if they ignore the burgeoning population growth, particularly of third world countries, who are the least able to support their existing populations, let alone their un-sustainable population growth.

It seems the reasoning capabilities of some are being discarded to a bunch of charlatans in pursuit of a mythical belief that by donning the sack cloth and ashes of the penitent all will become well. In the meant time the gullible proclaim the new high priests of global warming and condemn skeptical heretics for daring to question the false prophets (well what else would you call their dodgy predictions of calamity?) of the “new faith”.

Ultimately, this issue is going to be resolved along population and national development lines. For the survival of mankind, I only hope it is the developed nations, with sustainable and self-controlled populations and the history of inventive creativity who prevail because, if they do not, humanity will be left sitting in the middle of a refuse tip, ducking away from the anarchy of small warlords each intent on being proclaimed the last despot on earth.

Fester “So in this case the null hypothesis is that you will continue your hurl from the gutter.”

Oh fester, that you do not know what a hypothesis is and that I have not made a claim merely shows the shallowness of your pretentious posturing.

When you grasp the error of your reasoning is when you will heal up. Until then, Fester, you will simply continue to “fester”. Dettol will help fix you up.

As for the gutter, that is where I would hurl toward if I ever needed to catch your attention.
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 4 February 2007 8:46:06 PM
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aqvarivs, perhaps a little further elaboration of my comment...

Economy as people, us, whom make and consume products cycle which old as civilization itself that is we have always traded with each other, and now with that green stuff called money which has been made as an accepted world wide 'legal tender' to have a practical worth to trade... and how it goes together, and a balance to some extent existed in things...

Problem was created by invention of entity called 'corporation' whose sole purpose is to make money without conscience, yep...legally accepted practice...so any act to make money is acceptable at law which I think in the future will be seen as the most vulgar corruption of law to effect (in)justice... and it is this factor that has been the cause of most unbalanced destruction over last 200 years, to make more of that artificially created middle entity in the above said...

Do you see, and if you want to see further, just investigate on who has the patent on that known as 'money' ie paper and coin legal tender whose real worth is not related to its 'created' worth, and the actual 'people' ownership of these corporations, though treated as individual unconnected entities by corporate media, and how much of that flow of money is sucked out without benefit to us common people...

Sam
Posted by Sam said, Sunday, 4 February 2007 8:56:55 PM
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