Horus, in a way the West is responsible for all the world's woes.The West started the Industrial Revolution back in the 1860's.We were the bleeding hearts who brought the science of better food technology and antibiotics so third world populations could expand expodentially with no responsibility for birth control.

Disease and wars in the past were the moderators of population explosions.The world population is fast approaching 7 billion people,and there seem to be no urgency by the UN or the whinging left wing do gooders to address this lack of discipline by third world countries as regards birth control.

All they do is cry for more aid that increases populations artifically,that have no sustainable future.

With climate change and our diminishing resources,we are all in for a very bumpy ride.

Maybe China should be encouraged to accept the Kyoto Protocol as a developed country for its Eastern provinces in the immediate term and be given third country status ONLY for its other provinces until, say, 2015 (lesser developed) and 2020 (least deveveloped).

As I look from my Hong Kong habourside apartment, I can see only two kilometres into the bay. Smog.

Lol, Daves_not_here_man.
It isn't me that is trying to use the example of single data points as evidence, it is the author. (e.g. the record hot temperatures mentioned in this article...what about the record cold temperatures we have been having in the last month? Is that global 'warming' too?)

Try to keep up.

Also, repeat after me this simple scientific truth.
Correlation is not causation.

Scientists are not unbiased, objective observers. Only a fool would try and imply they were. Even if you want to claim that the 'vast majority' of scientists believe in human caused global warming, many do not. Science is meant to be about evidence, not authority.

Why not check out this article, about a physical oceanographer, who recounts a little about this scientific community and climate change.
http://alangrey.blogspot.com/2006/12/global-warming-revelations.html

If people don't believe in the living God they put their faith in a man made religion. In the case of global warming they use pseudo science to make their arguements look half intelligent. More fear preached from those with a self interest than anywhere else. Funny how people accuse Christians of using fear to evangelise.

All of the above is great grist .......... but the fact is, We just don't know. And at present we are trying to live in an evidence based world. So we should try to find out. The answers to the most pressing questions. And this in turn means that we must muster the skills to ask the best and most incisive questions. The issue is not "How much should we charge for water / fuel / power, and how do we manage the political fallout from that" but "How do we ensure we have a future with optimal solutions to the questions of supply and demand?" And, as far as I can tell there is still the same amount of water on the planet - it's just not in the places and in the form that we want! And we always knew that in relying (for the time being) on fossil fuels we were busily consuming a finite resource. And that all renewable energy models recognise that the sun is the source ....... So, why act surprised and agitated ? For an investment of about $25K in solar technology (at current inflated prices) an average household can be independent from the grid. And our expectations of being able to travel great distances or simply move about our home communities on a whim are simply unrealistic. And there are just too many of us ......notionally a VERY simple matter to remedy. But we lack leadership and resolution. And so we will pay the price ........

And yes you will keep paying the price until you decide to do something about it.

25k for 1 house

not bad

how much in consultations
political buck passing but that means you would have to care.

people on this site talk big but actions are nil that is why we have to keep paying.

And until you really make a descision than labor or liberal to a party that wants to fix and not just talk then you will get change.

Email:swulrich@bigpond.net.au

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