Sir Vivor

If your going to counter post to what I have posted you could do me the courtesy of keeping to that relevant material. I made no comment to Yabby's emotional tirade about Americans, the Vietnam war, how nice it would be to see them humiliated upon the world stage, Bush or blow jobs.

I wanted to give Yabby some understanding of L. Paul Bremer, the job he had with Iraqi civil oversight and what he was able to accomplish in his year at that post for the Iraqi people.

Yabby had labeled him a disaster. I pointed to several things he had accomplished in a single year during difficult times. Quite arguable not a disaster.

Only a mental ingrate would attempt to make the Vietnam War one of American responsibility. America didn't start the Vietnam war. America didn't loose the Vietnam war. South Vietnam did. Americas unwillingness to commit to outright war and invade North Vietnam cost, but it also kept Russian(overt) and Chinese(overt)involvement in the war to a minimum and stopped the war from escalating into a major world conflict.

I'm not necessarily pro Bush or pro American. I understand the difficult complexities of world affairs and especially that of warfare. It was my business for 25 yrs. I'm not right wing nor left wing. My concern is with people and what will best benefit humanity in the long run. Democracy is that best fit. My opinion.

And Clinton wasn't done for a blow job. He was done for lying to a court of enquiry and continued to lie in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Perjury and obstruction of justice.
By the by, Clinton served to the end of his term.

It takes a particular mind to hope for a countries public humiliation.
Especially a country who at grass roots is working hard and spending billions to make the world a better place for all.

"Especially a country who at grass roots is working hard and spending billions to make the world a better place for all."

Aqva, you clearly don't like me calling a spade a spade. Fact is
a larger and larger % of the American population are finally agreeing
with me, only they have learned the hard way. 6 years of Bush and
the neocons has been a disaster for the world and for America,
thats the reality.

Spending billions and good intentions, does not equate with
intelligence! Fact is that the Bush/Cheney team has the
arrogance of a bullpit terrier and the people skills of
a gorilla, so all the money in the world won't make much
difference.

Clinton was nailed over a private matter, the extreme
right/Starr and co, were fanatical about it, to the point
of little else. Yet still today, where he goes, he commands
respect, including the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere.
George and Dick meantime, flying the republican colours,
have shown what a disaster of a Govt can achieve in terms
of dragging a country down. George is laughed at world wide,
the neocons have all run for cover, everyone blaming everyone
else for the problems, nobody with a solution.

America today depends on the Chinese and Japanese Central
banks, for the $ not to become the peso. Hundreds of billions
of $ have been spent and borrowed, yet Osama and Zawahiri
are footloose and fancy free. Osama did say he would eventually
bankrupt America, so far he's done a good job at that, just
look at the figures!

In Iraq we basically have a civil war, yet another American
disaster. Bremer clearly did not understand Arab culture
or tradition. Just throw weapons and money at it, was the
philosophy. The embarrassing failure is there for all to
see.

Fact is that America is paying a
huge price for a Govt that lacks intelligence, lacks
humility and is getting nowhere by throwing borrowed $
at problems. People skills matter. Bill understood
that, George would not know what it meant. Thats the
reality.

Yabby if you think you need it you have my permission to call a spade a shovel. I don't care one whit. You mistake your extreme left outlook and emotional attacks on America and Bush for opinion. So be it. However it isn't necessarily factual commentary and is open for rebuttal. I offered you some facts different to your emotional outburst/rant against L. Paul Bremer. He was in office one year and did some fine work for the Iraqi people. If you found some nay sayers who poo pooed Bremers time in that official capacity. Hurray. Glad you found the chink in his human capability. Apparently Bill Clinton is your bench mark for perfection.

Under the Clinton Administration there was Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, and Haiti.

In December 1998 Clinton ordered four days of concentrated air attacks against military installations in Iraq. After the bombing, Hussein blocked any further UN inspections. For several years afterward, U.S. air assaults continued to target defense installations in Iraq, in response to what the Clinton administration claimed were “provocations” by the Iraqi military, including antiaircraft fire and radar locks on American planes and missiles.

Sanctions on Iraq that were imposed after the Gulf War remained in place under Clinton. UNICEF estimated that 500,000 children had died as a result by 1999.

Shall I keep going.

At least the Bush Admin. made it clear to Saddam that further to his actions that there would be war. Saddam failed to listen and got gored by the bull. Tough. Your hero Clinton would have just bombed more and killed more civilians outside of a war. And Saddam would still be up and about planning God knows what in furtherance of his Baathist Ideology.

You have a very strange morality. Kill civilians but don't declare war. You also have a very convenient memory.

Try forging your own opinion rather than cobbling together emotive news headlines and using them to belittle what you obviously have spent little time considering

re:
"Only a mental ingrate would attempt to make the Vietnam War one of American responsibility. America didn't start the Vietnam war. America didn't loose the Vietnam war. South Vietnam did."

You really believe that. Congratulations.

But what is a mental ingrate? I have not heard that term before.

"You mistake your extreme left outlook and emotional attacks on America and Bush for opinion."

ROFL Aqva, now my opinions are "extreme left" :)

I remind you that every second comedian in America has worked
out that Bush and his team are idiots, let alone most commentators
and now more and more Republicans, who finally agree with me.
One thing I have is patience and 6 years of disaster has born
me out to be correct yet once again!

Even the little old ladies who were scared by Karl Rove to vote
for Bush, with his "Osama under the bed" strategy, are realising
how wrong they got it. Read the opinion polls!

Fact is that this regime has been based on "Hopalong Cassidy"
kind of politics, just like in the Western movies. Finally its
sinking in, that money and bombs are not enough, all that America
has become is a laughing stock. Without a smart prez, they will
win no respect and remain so. Fiddling the system to deny Gore
his election win, has cost the republicans and America plenty.

Nobody said that Clinton was perfect, just that in fact he had a
brain and that he commanded respect worldwide. The rest of the world
does not get bogged down by puritanical trivia, as America does.

The sad thing about America today is that money wins elections, not
smart candidates. Just look at George and Dick etc. I rest my case :)

Sir Vivor.

Yes I do and thank you for the congrats.
Just for you. Item: Republic of Vietnam and it's allies, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand and the U.S.. If you ever get to Canberra, check out the Vietnam Forces National Memorial.

ingrate; an ungrateful person.
mental ingrate; a person with a hateful, angry, ungrateful outlook or philosophy. :-)

Yabby.

Thanks for proving my point for me. I couldn't have provided a better emotional rant. I hope you get to see your nemesis publicly humiliated and that all come to recognize your truth.
I know the whole world hates the Americans because no one from around the world wants to live there. It just recently passed the 300 million mark.