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All eyes on Iraq : Comments

By Pritam Singh, published 6/12/2006

Republican President George W. Bush has overseen one of the worst military catastrophes in recent memory.

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FANATICISM DRIVES SHIITES.

To know just HOW fanatical they can be, view this little video.(Youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAmijQ-Uo0&mode=related&search=

Then.. see this comment on the video from a Muslim:

[THIS IS NOT CRAZINESS OR FANATISM , These are people that have been holding so MUCH PAIN in their hearts, such as being TORTURED and not RESPECTED and by Sharing the story of HUSSEIN & his Family
(back in the history of islam) THEY are releaving their pains. SO they probably over reacted because of their pains. We have the same rituals but never went that far for us. CONTACT me if u care to understand but don't Judge by not knowing.]

The SHIA in Iraq are driven by these same emotions. Iran is very closeby, and is driven by them also.

Does it surprise anyone that such novel ideas as 'democracy' don't have much impact ?

This is just how twisted and distorted human society can become when it worships the 'moon god'.

I wonder how the Imam in the video would react if Christians had:
1/ Urinated on
2/ Spat on
3/ Ripped up
4/ Burned
..the Quran.

see this event in Melbourne.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20879483-2702,00.html

Should we gather the faithful and attack that school ?
Should we hunt down those boys and execute them and their families ?
Should we hold a mass protest, with yelling and screaming outside the school ?

or.....

43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

My God set them free in Christ from this darkness and bondage
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 8:41:51 AM
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Pritam,

There is a number of errors in the US strategy in Iraq:

1. Dismantling the armed forces.
2. Dismantling the baath party (believe it or not it was the only secular movement in Iraq regradless of what Saddam was).

Had the US pursued a clear exit strategy (ie giving the new Iraqi gov. a clear time frame for withdrawal and let the Iraqis plan their own security backwards) it would have been different. Right now its the pay off of the 'shock and awe' approach.

Boaz,

As nutty and obsessed with Islam as you are the news link of Muslim kids and the Bible is disturbing. I am happy the Islamic school expelled them because the bible and the Torah for Muslims are Holy books. Humiliating the bible carries the same sentence of humiliating the Quran (like your beloved guantanamo guards!)

Enjoy the bikini march on Saturday!

Peace,

T
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 9:08:27 AM
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Yes the war is an abject failure -

its failure has nothing to do with Islamism or whether it is fanatical or even if it is barking up the tree of the wrong god - as the sleepless BD wants us to believe.

the war was/is a strategic act of revenge in response to a primary failure in Afghansitan - that too is a major stuff up I might add - since the action there the Opium crop has increased in magnitude by some 60% - so much for success - the Taleban is using this asset to bollster there reserves.

Having gone in there the moral imperative to stay was based not on any desire to impose democracy but a realisation that the west committed and absolute stuff up and had a responsibiltiy to at least be seen to care about sorting it out - the guilt for that error is slowly eroding as more and more young Americans die for a lie -

Religion is not at the centre of this conflict - just foolish pride
Posted by sneekeepete, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 9:43:20 AM
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"THIS IS NOT CRAZINESS OR FANATISM. These are people that have been holding so MUCH PAIN in their hearts, such as being TORTURED and not RESPECTED"

See? It doesn't depend upon which god you believe in. Unwittingly DB you've summed it up quite well.
Posted by bennie, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:11:51 PM
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Good article, but two things:

"Revisionist historians have asserted that Vietnam was the domino that saved South-East Asia from communism during the Cold War at an incredible price of close to 100,000 American troops."

The widely accepted number of American deaths in Vietnam is 55,000 even if revisionist historians may prefer 100,000.

"As the Iraq baton is passed to the Democrats, this handover threatens to represent a poisoned chalice."

The Republicans certainly want to make it appear that the Democrats are responsible for Iraq now, because its a high risk proposition, likely to mean perceived failure.

The fact is that the Executive (Bush) and his Cabinet (mainly Gates) will have most of the influence over events in Iraq. As good politicians they'll claim any victories while publicly passing any failures to the Democrat Congress.

Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com/
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 7 December 2006 11:17:15 AM
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Look, guys and gals, the US is in really dire straits. They have a genuine problem.

Its economic lifeblood - OIL - is nearly all gone. Those huge Texan oilfields are all but dried up. You can't keep the machine going without a lot of oil.

The US now supplies just 12% of its own oil demand, the rest mostly being imported from places that are either very insecure or hate their guts.

Yes, in our eyes, Iraq is a sptupendous humanitarian calamity. In the eyes of the US strategists, its more of a strategic calamity, because the worlds second largest oil reserves have not been secured.

Believe me, they are even more desperate now, and they have every reason to be.

The greatest strategic mistake the Bush adminsitration made was not being honest about the real purpose of the invasion. More than likely, if faced with the prospect of rocketing gasoline prices, the American people would have supported an invasion on the basis of national oil security.

Iraq is perhaps ther first of many resource wars we will see this coming Century. If there is any benefit to the failure there, it is a strong signal that the 'haves' won't necessarily find it that easy to grab and hoard the dwindling resources of the Planet.

The Americans are not the only desperate ones.
Posted by gecko, Thursday, 7 December 2006 3:19:24 PM
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