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Women see red on White Ribbon Day : Comments

By Bronwyn Winter, published 27/11/2006

White Ribbon Day should be a time where each man considers his own behaviours, attitudes, beliefs and values he holds towards women.

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Check SBS TV tonight:

11:20 'My Mother, My Abuser"

From the SMH TV Guide: "One quarter of all cases of sexual abuse of children are perpetrated by adult females. Two thirds of their victims are girls".

"This confronting documentary focuses on mothers who sexually abuse their sons and daughters. Statistics show that 22 per cent of cases of child abuse are perpetrated by women and only 35 per cent of the victims are boys. In this program, victims of maternal incest, both female and male, describe their ordeals in detail and recount the trauma they have suffered. Experts provide us with the shocking statistics and reveal that child abuse often happens within apparently respectable middle-class families"
Posted by Hamlet, Thursday, 30 November 2006 3:57:55 PM
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"If men are serious about eliminating violence against women, they must act upon this conviction, whether in the criminal justice and family law systems, the workplace, the media or down the pub with the mates." I agree.

RObert it’s apparent that certain groups main agenda is to discredit feminists and battered women. Their and your time would be better spent lobbying politicians instead of undermining women’s groups. If men and mens’ groups “acted upon this conviction” in the way the article suggested then they would have some credibilty.

It doesn’t follow from BW’s statement that women aren’t concerned about violence generally. Women are overwhelmingly on the receiving end of male bullying and women are responding to that “gender bias”.

Recently in my area police reported that they responded to 30 domestic violence calls in one week– nearly all were male on female. So maybe the reason politicians aren’t too responsive is because the male-on-female domestic violence is overwhelmingly a more serious problem. Policy makers base their decisions on actual QPS reports – not internet propaganda.

Use your energy to lobby politicians instead of whinging because women are more focussed/organised than men’s groups.

I agree, battered men should have the same assistance and compassion as women. But it must be in line with the number of individual cases and the severity of violence. Attacking articles written in the interests of battered women won’t be much help in preventing domestic violence against men.

You blokes please go to anger-management. There ya’ go girls start whining like the mens’ groups: “Where’s our anger-management programs?” The men are too busy blaming others for their own failures to be constructive.

Domestic Violence - Myths and facts
For the community to understand the underlying factors of domestic violence, it is vital that the frequently held myths are dispelled and corresponding facts revealed.

MYTH 1: Domestic violence is a private matter.
FACT: Physical assault in the home is a serious crime and must be viewed as seriously as assault outside the home.
Three times every fortnight a homicide occurs in Australia in which intimate (Cont
Posted by ronnie peters, Thursday, 30 November 2006 6:38:17 PM
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partners are involved. In almost four out of five cases the perpetrator is a male and the victim is a female (Australian Institute of Criminology July 1998).
Domestic violence can lead to murder - it is not a private affair.
MYTH 2: Women provoke domestic violence by nagging and other annoying behaviour.
FACT: No one asks for or deserves to be abused - there is no excuse for domestic violence. In fact, most victims of domestic violence do everything they can to pacify the other party to avoid further violence. (Queensland Domestic Violence Task Force Report 1988).
Responsibility for the violence rests with the perpetrator. It is not the victim who committed the crime.
MYTH 3: Battered women can easily leave home if they want to.
FACT: Battered women are usually constrained from easily leaving home by a number of factors.

These include:
o fear of reprisals. Leaving a spousal relationship does not mean an end to the violence of harassment. Abusive perpetrators usually go to considerable lengths to find their victims to continue the abuse and/or regain the relationship;
o in the years 1989 - 1996 there were 2226 homicides committed in Australia. Of these, the highest percentage - 30.7% (685) - were committed by the intimate partner of the victim. The vast majority of these occurred during the relationship or around the time of the dissolution of the relationship (Australian Institute of Criminology November 1997);
o a belief that they may in some way be responsible for the violence and that they can end the violence by changing their own behaviour - most perpetrators blame other people for their behaviour, particularly the victim;
o conflicted feelings about their partner due to the cyclical nature of the violence. Many do not want the relationship to end but hope for the violence to stop;
o concern for their children and partner,
o religious and cultural constraints and shame;
o poor self-esteem. Many victims after years of physical, emotional and/or verbal abuse have lost their self confidence and doubt their ability to cope on their own; and
o financial dependence.

QPS-report.
Posted by ronnie peters, Thursday, 30 November 2006 6:40:06 PM
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Looks like people are getting so sick of the feminist bias on the domestic violence issue that now in addition to:

http://www.mediaradar.org/

There is now also:

http://www.nfvlrc.org/

From:

http://www.glennsacks.com/enewsletters/enews_11_21_06.htm

Dissident Domestic Violence Experts Form New Group to Challenge DV Establishment

November 21, 2006

As I've noted on many occasions, the domestic violence establishment is not telling us the full truth about domestic violence, and many destructive family law policies have been based on misleading information.

The "rebellion" I mentioned in the column just took a major step forward with the formation of the National Family Violence Legislative Resource Center. The NFVLRC is a group of distinguished domestic violence experts who have joined together to "Advocate for non-discriminatory and evidence-based policies" and correct the many damaging laws and policies which have been based on misleading claims. In a new statement Hamel, one of the leaders of the NFVLRC, says:

"The founding members of NFVLRC have recognized for some time that current polices are politically driven rather being based on scientifically sound information, and are seeking to change them. As a result of flawed policies, many children are being denied the same range of services simply because of their victimized parent's gender. Current policies have in many instances also resulted in a loss of civil liberties, and research indicates that they have sometimes resulted in increased danger to victims...NFVLRC believes that unless domestic and family violence policies are reformed, victims, children and future generations will continue to suffer from this social problem."

http://www.nfvlrc.org/docs/Fixinghalf.singlespace.pdf

Deals directly with the problem of bias on the issue.

http://www.nfvlrc.org/docs/DV.gendincconception.pdf

"Data on abusive women has been ignored or deliberately suppressed by mainstream academic journals and by such organizations as the Ontario, Canada government and the Kentucky Commission on Women (see Fontes, 2002)"

JamesH-"What bloke out there has not had a woman manipulate them into doing something?"

I had a woman attempt to use shame and guilt attacks to manipulate me into supporting White Ribbon Day...
Posted by Happy Bullet, Thursday, 30 November 2006 6:58:15 PM
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Today Tonight has just run a story on Peter Brocks alleged wife bashings.

What disgusted me was the way the reporter just brushed past her absurd idea that domestic violence KILLS (That’s kills, as in dead) more women than breast cancer, as if it were some sort of given.

Some sort of proven fact!.


Now while most wife bashings are not reported those numbers are easily balanced by the number of false reports of wife bashings which are actually husband bashings.

But dead bodies?

A dead body is a dead body.
The body count is reasonably accurate. The body count for breast cancer is a 2.5 thousand a year. The murder rate from domestic violence doesn’t even go into the dozens.


This ridiculous media sensationalism is the real cause of the problem. How can any real cop take the average report of wife bashing seriously when so many lies are being told.
Posted by sparticusss, Thursday, 30 November 2006 8:30:34 PM
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Professor Daphne Patai in her book “Heterophobia” draws from the work of Sociologist Joel Best in explaining the claim makers and their techniques.

“Primary claim makers as Best calls them initially ‘define a social problem to their own satisfaction and then present their claims in a fashion likely to draw media attention.’ Thereafter, the media, by spotlighting the problems most dramatic features, transforms the primary claims into secondary claims.”

Two classic examples of this in action are the claims ‘domestic violence is the leading cause of death for pregnant women’ and ‘when grand finals are on there is an increase in reports of domestic violence.’ Both claims are false. See the Super Bowl myth ‘Super bull Sunday’ and ‘The muddled maternal murder series’ Jack Shafer Slate Magazine.

“The business of advancing claims about a problem is rarely static, Best explains,

..claims evolve over a problems history. Initial claim makers must persuade people that a problem exists. Once these early claims gain acceptance and the problem becomes well established, with its own place on the social policy agenda, claimants may begin reconstructing the problem. In particular claim makers are likely to offer new definition, extending the problems domain or boundaries, and find new examples to typify just what is at issue.”

Linguistic tricks are used. Phrases such as “another form of,” “essentially the same as,” “the moral equivalent of,” or “equally damaging as.”

Daphne Patai pointed out that in the literature on sexual harassment alleged victim quickly became victim while the case was still in the complaints phase. Another important point is that the alleged victim was typically identified as being part of an oppressed group, suffering multiple forms of ill treatment. The alleged perpetrator was then shown with another set of characteristics such as being part of a privileged group.

Researching domestic violence a disturbing pattern started to emerge. I began to notice comments about how researchers investigating domestic violence perpetrated against men were subjected to intimidation and threats of violence. Not only were there threats of violence, their books and research papers were also subjected to censorship.
Posted by JamesH, Thursday, 30 November 2006 8:59:15 PM
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