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A Stern review : Comments

By Andrew Hewett, published 6/11/2006

The debate about whether climate change is occurring is over. The question now is how do we respond?

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Where is my favorite anti global warming warrior Andrew Bolt when you need him?

F**k the science - it is counter intuitive and just plain silly to not believe that as the species that engineers so much of the built environment and mnipulstes the rest as best we can we are not impacting on the environment

And it is prudential to believe that the impact is probably, if not negative, at the very least altering the status quo and rearranging weather patterns for example - at best we can take cold comfort in the knowledge that if we dry up, some where else will be blooming and fertile where once dust was the order of the day.

It is almost bizarre to witness the ALMOST Pauline Conversion of John Howard on this matter - it is as if he has been visited by God (but is still a bit of a doubting Thomas) in the true spirit of the Oakshott conservative he leads by intimation - from behind.

If all we do is develop a national policy and ethos on water conservation we are back in the game - but when you have irrigators farming marginal land - using in excess fo 97% of available water - you have to wonder - and wonder still more when some of them say if we take measures to save water the best application for what is saved it is to use for more irrigation! For many the root of the problem are city folk using dishwashers and having the temerity to water a lawn - when metro/regional town use of available water is a mere drop in an ever rapidly emptying bucket

If we cant get that right - I am investing in copmanies that make hats and sunblock - I expect to die a rich and thirsty ma
Posted by sneekeepete, Thursday, 9 November 2006 1:33:22 PM
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Ludwig
Australia/NZ, the UK and the US (as well as parts of Europe) are only growing because of massive immigration, which I suppose must be helping to relieve the situation in second and third world countries.

As for Al Gore, he does have an interest in the promotion of the global warming scare:
“Gore has become a Neo-Green entrepreneur, taking his messianic faith in the power of technology to stop global warming and applying it to an eco-friendly investment firm.
The company, Generation Investment Management, which he co-founded nearly two years ago, puts money into businesses that are positioned to capitalize on the carbon-constrained economy Gore and his partners see coming in the near future.”

The full article from “Wired” is here: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/gore.html

I don’t think it is a bad thing that he invests in business, but on the other hand his over blown promotion of the “global warming” scenario, which can only assist these businesses, reduces his credibility somewhat.
Posted by Froggie, Thursday, 9 November 2006 1:34:23 PM
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“Australia/NZ, the UK and the US (as well as parts of Europe) are only growing because of massive immigration”

Froggie, I’m afraid its just not true! For example, about half of Australia’s population growth is due to our birthrate. This is where scoundrels like Costello are deliberately misleading us, with their message that the fertility rate desperately needs to be raised.

Have you seen ‘An Inconvenient Truth’? Can you indicate what in it you think is “over blown promotion of global warming”?

I’m not understanding why quite a lot of people on this forum think that global warming is not real, especially now that many big business CEOs and government figures accept it….and let’s face it, they wouldn’t if they didn’t feel as though they had to.

“[Gore]…puts money into businesses that are positioned to capitalize on the carbon-constrained economy Gore and his partners see coming in the near future.”

Well, of course he does. He has great faith that we are going to have to head in that direction. His actions in these ways are not a matter of vested interest, they are highly indicative of his firm belief that the world is warming anthropogenically, and that we are all going to have to acknowledge it and start adapting big-time. He has invested his money where his mouth is.

I see any arguments that brand him as ‘vested-interest’ in this way as being fundamentally flawed.

Incidentally, I don’t see anything wrong with the ‘Wired’ article. It seems quite neutral and reasonable.
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 9 November 2006 4:01:58 PM
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NOAA has caged all its birds

Either that or it has taken its bat and ball and gone home.

Today's SHA map shows no anomalous regions ... anywhere ... at all.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha116 [...]

Maybe its the second (Democrat) coming and the world is now in perfect harmony!

PS This is a crucial time for the SHA maps are enabling me to determine how Autralia's summer drought and bushfire season will pan out.

I hope NOAA can get the maps back on track soon.
Posted by KAEP, Thursday, 9 November 2006 4:04:13 PM
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Ludwig
Thanks for the response.
Yes, about half of Australia’s growth rate is from natural increase and the other half from net migration. I would have thought that half the population increase coming from migration was pretty massive, but then that is a subjective thing, and you have every right to believe it is not.
I know that if it weren’t for massive immigration in the UK (I understand they have had approximately 500,000 Eastern Europeans migrating there in the last few years) the population would be static or falling. The indigenous populations in most of Western Europe are in decline.
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/pop918.doc.htm
According to the above link, “- In terms of annual averages, the major net receivers of international migrants are projected to be United States (1.1 million annually), Germany (204,000), Canada (201,000), United Kingdom (133,000), Italy (120,000) and Australia (100,000). The major countries of net emigration are projected to be China (-333,000 annually), Mexico (-304,000), India (-245,000), Philippines (-180,000), Pakistan (-173,000) and Indonesia (-168,000)”
I have not seen the film, but I have seen the trailer, and I must say it is a pretty slick piece of work, full of dramatic music, voice-overs in suitably grave tones and spectacular scenes. The Americans are quite good at that sort of thing. Must have cost quite a bit to put together, although the main actor came free of charge!
As for Gore, it is a classic marketing ploy to identify (or in his case, exaggerate) a problem, and then (just by chance, of course!) come along with a solution.
The problem with Gore’s spruiking of the climate change/global warming scenario, is that he wants solutions to be LEGISLATED, so you would then have no choice but to pay Mr Gore’s companies. Maybe even better than the Microsoft near-monopoly.
Quite a cunning trick, if he can achieve it.
Posted by Froggie, Thursday, 9 November 2006 5:35:52 PM
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Kaep

Who else is doing research similar to your own?
Posted by Fester, Thursday, 9 November 2006 9:43:39 PM
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