ena, thankyou. I think I've fallen into the newbie trap of letting the crazies get on my goat. It's so hard to let some of their remarks go unanswered, yet ultimately it is futile arguing with people who firmly believe they are a disadvantaged group because women make two-thirds the money they do instead of only half.
I'll pick my battles more sensibly in future (hopefully!)

PS. check out Maximus's jibe to me on the Dissing Men thread about being irrational because of PMS - talk about making my point for me!

HedgePig unfortunately maximus just likes being nasty. He prefers to express himself in extremist terms. That does not invalidate the points others are making nor does it make those with a differing viewpoint to your own loonies.

Differences in income do not justify discrimination or villification in other areas (and I'm not convinced that women get less for the same work, just that we pay some occupations differently to others).

Did you have a look at the substantiated child abuse stats, I suspect not but it would be interesting to see how someone with your viewpoints deals with them. You could also have a look at the stats from the NSW Child Death Review Team on who kills children. http://text.kids.nsw.gov.au/files/cdrt_fatal_abuse_neglect2003.pdf and table 4.3 page 48 if you don't want to read the whole thing.

Most parents (male or female) are not child abusers and most substiated child abuse is not sexual.

Kids are at a greater risk of abuse living exclusively with one parent, I've not seen stats on child abuse in shared parenting situations but suspect that a relationship with both parents provides a better chance that the child will have someone to talk to about abuse and the fact that parents get a break also helps reduce the chance of much abuse.

Kids should never be separated from a parent on the unsubstantiated allegations of one parent, abuse allegations should be investigated thoroughly and independantly and malicious allegations should carry meaningful penalties.

Apart from the harm to innocent fathers, grandparents and others posed by Barbera's approach it also risks placing children further into harms way.

R0bert

Hedgepig,

“Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
So, says Janet Albrechtsen, girls and boys are different after all. D'oh”

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20481754-32522,00.html

“ONLY a girl could write The Female Brain and walk away with life and reputation intact. This new book may be contentious, but in fact modern science is merely playing catch-up with what we know intuitively. Girls are different from boys.
Mind-blowing news, huh?”

Yes men and women are different -common sense says so - that is why both are needed in the nurturing years of children - where-ever possible and safe .Why a agenda or 'ism' continues to demonize one gender is beyond belief and without reason and credible balance ? "Outside influences" are detrimental to the vulnerable and confused kids.The vile PAS is my enemy and only constructive discussion will help in our war against parents using it in the judicial system - regardless or whether "he" is lawyered up$$$$$ or "she" is just a vengeful /vindictive mother. PAS is often displayed as wrongful behaviour by a irrational adult who is hell bent on destroying the primal bonds of love forming between one parent and their alienated children .The sadness in the children's tiny hearts make many a estranged parent struggle for breath as the excruciating pain inside eats away like a cancerous cyst.

My my what short memories people have.

I guess it is really time to educate our judges, but not in the way suggested in this article.

It wasn't that long ago when it was claimed that silcone breast implants were causing all these health problems in women who have them.

Research was conducted and published, experts witnesses appeared supporting the claims that silcone implants caused health problems. Many of these people actually committed perjury.

Thousands of women recieved compensation and a company bankrupted on false claims. The media aided and abetted the claim makers.

Our judges need to educated to be more sceptical.

The claim that silcone implants caused health problems would not succeed today.

Less than a century ago similar tactics were used in the formation of the order of the white feather, the objective was to shame men into joining the armed services.

Justice fueled by the mob mentality and hysteria is not justice. It is corruption.

it seems to me to be a fact that judges in postions highest power in this country are themselves peadophiles..

That is why child rapists and molestation cases receive pathetic and very suspiciously light sentences.

I dont care if not one other person on here does agree with a word Ive said..I believe that fact to be the reason for this.

Judges as in most other professions of responsibility and status watch each others backs and protect each other.

The times one could count whereby a judge, politician, lawyer,teacher and on it goes, has been exposed as homosexual or a peadophile tells me that Im very close to the truth and it revolts me in the strongest possible sense.

There will be those that come on and say that homosexuality is NOT linked to peadophilia and I say rubbish...

My brother was molested as a small boy by a peadophile(he was 8) and was consistently right into his teens we found out later..these monsters were well recognised by our family as homosexuals but also had a penchant for children..male and female ..one tried to get friendly with me...but being older I was wise to him.

He went onto become homosexual himself believing that he must be because of what had happened to him as a small boy, his experience had completley confused his sense of self...he became a male prostitute in Kings Cross for a few yrs.

Often these pple seek these powerful positions for thesevery reasons..they can control and become untouchable, that IS WHY they are so dangerous.

Theft in this country rape of grown women,and no penetration needs to take place mind..(1st hand experience because this happened to a friend )

carries far harsher penalties in this country than the rape and cruelty inflicted on tiny innocent babies and children.

A case for the death penalty to be bought back if ever I heard one.