Fair enough. Thing is, l dont care what physical 'sort' a person of power/position happens to be. Sort of character, yes, definately. The fact that someone in her political position would resort to such obviously tawdry tactics totally undermines credibility. Gee, l wounder if anyone else noticed. This sort of thing from a woman aspiring to power and control, blatant as its hypocracy is, speaks for itself and deserves the ridicule it invites.

She basically sets the cause of women and the esteem (credibility) in which they are held, back 200 yrs. Makes me think that she, like all the other pollies, dont gives a rats and dont really want to change anything, least of all what they claim to want to change.

Heck, if they actually did fix things, to whom will they preach their perpetual message of discontent and division. How they gonna get the votes. They would undermine their own relevance. Heaven forbid they should make a paradigm shift away from the negative to the positive.

l am harsh, yes. The likes of (g)Nat and the democraps are a most obvious and stricking example of this sort of thing. Laughter is the best medicine, so l self administer a bit of pointless ridicule at the pointlessly ridiculous types, ala (g)Nat.

Strike 1 - Reith's Allowable Matters (that set the stage for the Workchoices Legislation)

Strike 2 - the GST (despite the meagre concessions)

Strike 3 - The sale and subsequent decline of Telstra and its services.

Perhaps some regrouping and reassessment would be in order?

Winning concessions and making deals sometimes isn't enough.

Don Chipp was a great guy but are any of the bastards honest as a result? People (in general) are simply too well-meaning and not honest enough to keep in mind the harsh facts of human life and so they prefer to overlook such bastardly dishonest things such as Cheryl Kerno having sex with Gareth Evans. Don Chipp nor the Democrats kept anyone honest. They weren't honest in the first place and shan't be in the final place. Humans are greedy and dishonest by nature and encouraged by advertising. Good on you Don for spending so long on the gravy train but folks, don't take the slogan too seriously.

“Don Chipp and the Democrats carved out clear political ground separate from the two major parties.”

Yes they did Andrew.

So what happened?

As I have said a number of times on this forum, your personal views seem to be scantly different to those of Labor or Liberal. And yet there is half of the political spectrum unoccupied by anyone (or perhaps with the Greens just left of centre)…. the half that actually considers sustainability ie the protection of our quality of life and environment in an ongoing manner, as the underlying principle, instead of the manic rush-for-the-cliff approach of the Libs, Labs…and Dems.

You have said that you fought strongly against former leader John Coulter’s push to address population stabilisation and other real environmental and sustainability issues.

So I’ll say it again – you must wear a good deal of the blame for the demise of the Democrats, and for turning them into just a really little Liblab party!

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Opinionated2;

“What a sad day for Australia with the passing of Don Chipp. His vision of a wonderfully democratic, balanced, third party was always a good one. His vision and his actions were a watershed development in Australian History. He created the most democratic party in Oz.”

Absolutely

Ludwig,
your comment that Bartlett opposed former leader Coulter over serious environmental issues has me seriously intrigued.
Are you willing to enlarge?
I (too) am a beleiver in the primacy of a genuine, reasoned economics (not the filthy, greed-based neo-lib travesty of genuinely thought out economics!) based on environmental sustainability, including minimal population growth (at least until something rational is done concerning environmental problems involving things like water and public transport policy)?
Am surprised Bartlett would oppose rational environmentalism, given the lack of such previously will be the creating mechanism behind the big burdens to be faced by coming generations of Australians.

Senator Stott Despoyer{?] sure could bat her eyelashes but she never got as shrill as chainsaw redhead got.
I would like to see more women in government but I loathe to see harpies in positions they should never have been elected to.
Ms Nettles with her 'ovaries',and another yesterday referring to someone who fell on 'their arse' have no place in our parliament. If they want vaudeville, let them find vaudeville.Or one night comic stands.
Parliament needs cleaning up and the crude and the vulgar weeded out.