Bennie people are not the same everywhere.In any given family genetics creates great diversity that can cope with environmental change.

There are enormous philosophical ,social and behavioural differences between the West and Islam.According to Islam,it is a one way street.We have already seen their attemps to introduce Sharia law into our Constitution.The weak Bracks Govt in Vict have introduced anti-religious vilification laws that stop people from publicly questioning the beliefs of others,even if they have no basis in fact.Logically,this means we can pass a law banning the theory of evolution.

I find it amazing that in the light of John Howards' comments that Muslims are crying foul and threatening us with more Cronulla like riots.Now I seem to recollect that the left wing media blamed those riots on the Anglo racists and the Muslims were merely reacting to our racism.Well,they can't have it both ways.

Now the Muslims tell us that their young people will again riot as in Cronulla if the Govt tells them to learn English and be more tolerant and understanding of our Western Culture.

No one is telling them that they should give up their religion,all we ask that they don't try to impose their laws and values on us.

No,our women don't have to cover up in public,nor should they be slaves to men.They don't have to put up with being spat at in public nor be called skippy sluts just because they dress differently.To treat women as property, diminishes the growth of both sexes.

The thing that the Muslim Culture fears most,is our progressiveness and openess to new ideas,that is why they live in insular communities and refuse to learn English.They fear that their belief systems will not stand the test of logic and analysis.Islam might go the way of the Christian Religions,with little political power and secular rationalism being order of the day.

Now you allude economic rationalism being an inherant Western evil.Economic rationalism has been more about the power of the Multi-nationals.They are only being rational to the point of their own advantage,hence they are not being truely rational.

I turned 59 the other day. That's over 21,500 days old. I owe every one of those days to the goodwill of countless other people, most of whom I can never know. They in their turn have relied upon me for their safekeeping. In all that time it never dawned upon me to question this simple precept.

Of course, I am lucky to have been born in a certain place at a certain time (half a world away) - but it is the only kind of life I have ever known.

The question is, is this tranquilty a natural circumstance of being human, or is it an aberration? Is it merely the herd instinct, or did evolution grant us something potentially more useful? Darwin himself pondered this when trying to account for the seeming overcapacity of the human brain.

Our brains are home to both fear and resistance in equal measure. From which shall we chose? Which is the more powerful urge? Which is the more powerful force?

If Howard and the sly-boys have their way, imagination and fear will deliver the power they seek. Shall we give it to them so cheaply - just for a legend? Just for a bit of old religious nonsense? Just for some ignorant cultural prejudice?

Here's a better legend:

'Appeared in the churchyard, against the high altar, a four foot marble cube, and set in it a steel anvil, and stuck in that a sword. Written in gold on the sword were the words "Whoso pulleth out this sword of this stone and anvil is rightwise king born of all England".'

We face the same challenge. All it takes is a bit of humilty - a bit of common human fellowship to pull that sword and become kings of our own fate.

And damn all tyrants to hell -

“BTW: there is no record of the term being ever used by Lenin”
Interesting? , but although I do not Gamble ; But I would lay odds on bet that if anyone seriously used WIki pedia as a stand alone reference can also sign his own cheques from the ATO. My point, Well if you look at Wikipedia now, He did !
So, that one can go through to the Keeper.
The common misuse of the political Ideology called ; “Fascism”, now that is a common intended abuse of such a term, the further away from the actual intended meaning of its philosophy is better for those who actually subscribe to its implication, and calling Islam Fascist is a bit like calling Osama Bin Laden a Jewish conspirator and a Mossad Agent. Undoubtedly a new libertarian tract.

Response to Arjay (3 Sept 2006 9:37:17 PM):

In order to be at all relevant in this thread, you need to have some basis for what you say.

The constitution can only be changed via a referendum. Vilification laws do not prevent people questioning religious belief. There is no law banning the theory of evolution. Dr Ameer Ali has not threatened further riots in Cronulla. Islamic law is not being imposed on Australians. Speaking English is not a religious matter.

The remainder of your post is an invalid claim of superiority over a particular religious group. Such claims are considered abhorrent in Australia. If you live here, please show some respect for Australian values.

Response to All-:
Given that you seem aware the words "Islam Fascist" was taken from your original Goldilocks quote, I don't understand why it's a "libertarian tract". Why be a critic of my Wikipedia link? It is what it is.

To Marilyn, Chris, Kenny,David and Carl

Could you folk kindly give your informed assessment of the following incidents in terms of ‘who did it’ and then comment on how your assessment differs or fits the CNN doco ‘In the footsteps of Bin Ladin’ and the various testimonies of people intimately involved in the events.

1/ Bombings US marine HQ in Beiruit
2/ Bombings of US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya
3/ Bombing of USS Cole in Aden
4/ 9/11 attacks
5/ Bali Bombings
6/ London Bus bombings.
7/ London plot to bomb Airliners.

Could you also explain how the ‘evil’ West is incorrect by attacking the AL Quaeda training camps in Afghanistan ?

a) Were they terror training camps or ‘freedom fighter’ training camps ?
b) Have considerable numbers of Muslims from Western countries attended these and learnt the skills of bomb making, weapons use and insurgency tactics ?

It would be enough to demonstrate your position by simply putting ‘CIA’ , AL Qaeda, Hezbollah or some similar notation for each major numerical point. By all means copy and past my list with your short assessment following.

ISLAM apart from MOHAMED its founder is little more than sometimes pious sometimes violent words in a book claiming to be from God. The critical issue is ‘Was Mohamed from God’... Gods final messenger.
Given that the likelihood of Gods final messenger arranging ‘hits’ on irritating poets and other unconscienable actions, I tend to conclude that on the balance of probabilities he was simply a skilful and ambitious manipulator of people, who believed his own delusions of self importance and ‘call’. Or.. he was simply a compliant tool of a very real Satan who masquerades as an angel of light. Perhaps he was both ?

Failure to understand how crucial is this fundamental point in dealing with the root causes of Islamic terrorism and the absence of firm convictions of our own about God, Christ, Faith, Life, Society and History,could in the end be our undoing.

I would value a few hours of ‘re-education’ opportunity with the Melbourne suspects

I see two rather interesting aspects of behaviour arising - the almost complete lack of fear from airline passengers who were caught up in the 'scam' in the UK, and the rise of anti-Islamic sentiments experessed on fora and by political leaders.

People are more frightened of interest rate rises and petrol prices - yet the hysteria and xenophobia on display indicates the depth of depravity our so-called political leaders are willing to stoop to creat the climate to bring in the real objective - to deconstruct and 'roll-back' (what a lovely word which belies what is really going on) freedom and human rights - the process of 'killing shoftly' is well under way