In the words of Ace Ventura, "that's gotta hurt!"

Mercurius, as the messenger wrote the article, who'd you have us address questions to. If it's not your work, why haven't you referenced the author, sounds like a PC cop out to me, no responsibility for anything.

Atheism is a material religion as is monotheism, my determination of you, is shown in your posts. You mightn't have spent your time in a school room, but within 4 walls as I said.

The reason you and others can't see the worthiness of having pride in our countries history, is because you haven't contributed to it, just taken what others have worked to provide. Now your able to be what you want, unlike many other places, yet you see no pride in that achievement.

Those who haven't made any sacrifice or contribution are always the first to belittle those who have. I remember the disgusting actions of the religious and left wing in their abuse of those conscripted to Vietnam upon their return. I saw active service before they were sent to Vietnam, and was against it, but I still had a great deal of pride in those forced to go and their superior performance to other nations there. Like them, I hated war, but still have pride in our achievements.

So lets just say, you probably should've written an article representing your experience, instead of trying to belittle something you and others clearly don't understand. As for Boaz, you'll get used to his ilk's boring revolving door mentality. People that sick can't be helped, as we see throughout the world, they end up euthanasing themselves and others in their blind stupidity.

I've no pride in what our future's becoming, but that's down to those controlling our direction, the PC's and monotheists of the world.

I certainly have no pride in the last 30 years of our PC history, maybe none of you can see further back than that, so know nothing else but PC. “As facts change, I change my mind”, a very positive thing to do. I prefer, 'as possibilities change, so do I'.

Ah! I think I have got it now. If you sledge Oz and it's inhabitants, particularly the colonists, you are trendy and a bit lopsided with a tilt to the left but you are an intellectual worthy of a cheer!'PIP -three times.
But if you praise Australia and reject the black armband as BS, you are equivilent of an ape.
Well swinging from my bars I still see the country I grew up in as wonderful, I am grateful to my forbears for coming here and for the hard times they triumphed over to help make this wonderful nation wonderful.
And I want their efforts with those others who fought the hard fight for this country to be remembered by all their descendants with thankfulness.As I do.

Dear Mercurious

My interest in your spirituatl condition stems as much from you name as your statement of atheism. "Goldstein"... I could be way off here, but it sounds very Jewish ? If that is the case, then the next 'curious' step would be to know if you have any knowledge of your ancestry, i.e. whether the Jewish component is via conversion or biology.
If, (and I'm still supposing) it is via your genetic background, then the idea of you being 'Atheist' is quite suprising to say the least. (as it surprises me that many Jews in Israel are also Atheists.)

The Salvation History brought to us through the Israelites is adequate testimony in itself of Gods reality, but I won't labor the point or repeat the whole of the old testament now. (Looks at Shorbe :)

Your point about 'when the facts change' is well taken, but shock horror...they havent changed. They remain the same and if anything are stronger today than yesterday.

@SHORBE

I mentioned the scripture 'slab' in one of my previous posts because it shows clearly an illustration of the point Mercurious was making, 'admiration' (for the good) rather than pride is the best way to consider the past. Each of the Biblical characters mentioned had their negative side, but they were still held up as examples of faith for us.
The same can apply in regard to our own forebears. We don't hold up their weakness as something to be emulated, but avoided. There strengths are to be admired.

I suppose they can be wearying at times, but to be truthful, there is often a far closer connection than you seem to get.
I do indeed write from a Christian perspective. This is a given.

Hi Mr. M,

Please ignore my earlier comments.. They aren't meant to hurt you. Carry on with your rant.

I have no idea why you hate the deeds of the people whose standards and laws are different/ quite opposite to the present generation

The article was pretty clear and was just trying to look at the difference in meaning between 'pride' and 'admiration'. From what I can see, he was saying that pride is more something you feel about what You do, while admiration is something you feel towards other people. He says that because of this it's technically not possible to take pride in our history, but that it IS possible to admire a lot of it.

Anyway that's how I read it. No need for a brawl, I don't reckon..