Communication is the only defense.

Killing others is a pretty sick version - given for years now it has not worked either.

Communication is the only defense - Direct forms of communication - where something gets done to stop this mess.

That is the challenge facing this planet... we each know more than we say about this, because it requires balls!

Ludwig dishes up the view from within the very department that has impemented the injustice as law. There are, in fact, a number of departmental officers who have gone to considerable lengths to manipulate public opinion through contributions to blog discussions during and after work time. It would not be so bad if they made their identity known but this is rarely the case. Instead, they are in there pushing the official departmental position to people who are under the mistaken belief that they are the opinions of ordinary men and women. It is even more sleazy when it is couched in terms that portray a departmental objective as if it were a community consensus.

But one look at the wilderness society hideoid would convince most reasonable observers that environmental policy has been handed to ideological jackbooters with eyes that show less empathy than Pol Pots. And a community that can look the other way while such vindictive psychopaths are turned loose on a demonised minority community has trashed the social contract.

My fear is that this combination of departmental information management, coupled with unjust laws administered by totally callous officialdom will sooner or later push some poor innocent bastard to crack. And frankly, I don't even care anymore if the result was just a few departmental goons in a ditch covered in flies. But so many of these cases end up with the family being taken out as well and that would be a real tragedy.

We have already had suicides that are directly attributable to departmental persecution and who knows how many more have been indirectly induced by the policy millieu. And we in the bush need to decide how we will respond to these situations.

Will we see them as isolated incidents of random tragedy?
Will we see them as victims of a predatory cult in government?
Will we see them as casualties in a silent war waged by a government on a part of its community?
Or will we see them as the final proof that the essential bonds that bind communities have been shredded?

Structural Violence (the most serious violence of all) documented & ID-ed here Perseus.

We discribe the ignorance of how regional silo cultures work, we note their influence, the list of selective invisibles at work, ie: non appriopriate but impacting no-response's, resulting in outcomes which reflect depletion (addressing critical area's of breakdown in sustainable development ) which helps explain why shrinking communities, ... are being dafted - after re-approaches to deaf ears.

MacArthurs Ghost revisited?

What's gone totally wrong...?

Communitication between civic members in the community and government, needs to be a two way paticipatary process before we can expect to experience - any real change.

As I see it, "force" is a signal, reactive-to (when) communication breaks down eh!

Perseus inadvertently raises more interesting points regarding freedom of speech.

1. Being seen to be, or being suspected of, expressing vested-interest views, when you are making every effort to speak independently.

No matter how many times I say emphatically that I am speaking for myself only, and no matter how often am I critical of my ultimate employer; the Qld Govt, on this forum over a number of issues, he maintains that I speak on behalf of my employer. He knows full well that this is not the case, but still announces on this forum at every opportunity that I am a departmental officer, as though that is some heinous crime and as though public servants aren’t “ordinary men and women” and don’t deserve the level of freedom of speech that ordinary folk have.

2. This sort of deliberate misrepresentation, which is really slander, is an unfortunate side of untempered freedom of speech.

If we all just concentrated on the guts of the subject matter that we are discussing, and learnt how to debate things properly, it wouldn’t matter whether people were speaking with vested-interests or not. Those with unannounced vested interests would soon be shown up.

Wouldn’t be nice if we could develop a type of authority that encouraged logical discussion and strongly discouraged the sort of outrageous rubbish spouted by the likes of Perseus. I refer to stuff like this:

“ideological jackbooters with eyes that show less empathy than Pol Pots.”

“vindictive psychopaths”

“I don't even care anymore if the result was just a few departmental goons in a ditch covered in flies.”

3. The real injustice inherent in our level of freedom of speech is that this sort of hate-mongering can be bandied around so freely.

Many people on this forum have concerns about extremist expressions of hate, in relation to the Middle East and terrorism in particular. I think Perseus’ style of writing falls into this sort of arena, and I’m sure a good portion of the populace, while upholding fair and reasonable freedom of speech, would like to see it eliminated.

So, Ludwig. You appear to admit that being called a departmental officer may well induce people to shun you. Yet you discount the possibility that the actions of government and the people who implement policy may have influenced the perceptions of part of the community towards those officers.

And you conclude by expressing a desire to censor any statements of people who may have acquired that perception on the basis that this first hand perception of an effected minority is inconsistent with a more benign perception of an uneffected majority.

This might be beyond the capacity for ethical discernment of the average departmental officer, Ludwig, but it is not now, nor has it ever been, left to the perpetrators of injustice to define injustice. Indeed, there would be no such concept of injustice at all if it were left to the perpetrators to define.

It would be like asking Mr Bubbles if he has been "looking after" the kids. And the similarity between the abused power of government and a paedophile is as strong as it is no doubt uncomfortable for you to consider. But each acts in the absolute belief that their actions are beneficial, cause no harm and produce no victims. And each regards the perpetuation of their role, in another generation, as a fundamental objective of incontestable merit.

Now you may need to characterise these perceptions of unjust governance as extreme or fringe but I could go into any country town and get absolute agreement from the very bedrock of those communities. Talk to the community builders, the stall holders, the raffle sellers, the kids sports coaches, the mentors and the fixers and you will discover that these so-called extreme views are actually the reasonable conclusions of the mainstream of a minority community that is defined by discrimination on the basis of occupation, location and family background.

• Yuyutsu ..."What a waste of such an important topic! The injustice of enforcing authority is a painful issue indeed: it begins from potty training and forcing innocent tender children to attend kindy, leaving scars for life"... Yeah as a matter of fact, courtesy of aristocratic Jew echelon masters ingenuity knack, who throughout the millenniums always placed their bets each way, to score an ample of a steadfast incubated Jew rulers on the global arena. Representing an exclusive tyrant entity breed of the limitless significance via apartheid, we had to have, fait-accompli elimination regimes.

Starting right from a kindergarten via compulsory elders-of-zion run schooling and cultivated universities buffer, which to yield an ample of a cuckoo-nest incubated disposable puppets. Accompanied over the years with connived referees issued clandestine dossiers as norm. No wonder the imbeciles lot to be nurtured with a carte blanche, whilst incorruptible souls of the role-model citizens (as our mavrick Mark Lathan) to endure devious wrath. Yet many of the ill-informed minds failed even to realise what hit them at all. Without expecting in the wildest dream to face such a nightmare of the utterly insidious act!

As our youngsters intellect being methodically moulded into elders-of-zion profile to suit application. Courtesy of the compulsory elders-of-zion schooling criteria, which making sure to prevent juveniles mind from creative roaming and getting innate ideas on his or her own. Instead being fed with lots of trash, until every applicable brain-cell was certainly occupied. No wonder for earlier burned-out saturation effect, intended to debilitate into obese couch potatoes all the damned non-kosher outcast-minds (beyond the targeted genome objective by coalition of the willing connivers).

For an eye opener proceed to the diminished democracy exposé ... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4625#47660