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Taking the heat out of global warming : Comments

By Paul Holper, published 13/7/2006

Better education is the key to battling climate change.

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Biofuel-people need-to-understand that biofuels-don't-have the-Power-density-or-online-Capacity to avoid-PEAK-OIL-world-population-collapses. We HAVE to use the US High tech coal approach for this reason and also because we must be in line with US-industrial-strategy-to-SURVIVE-the-next-difficult-10-years.

As-for-the-politics, the point of voting OUT Iemma's-NSW-Italian-Labor and Howard's coalition of "root-out-the-Aussie-deadwood-with-laser-focused-inmmigration-into-SYDSEQ", is to FIND the other choices. You won't find them by sitting-on-bums, complaining-and-ultimately-being-handed-your 'notice-to-quit-life' letter complete with white-feathers. And if the next lot are no good then vote them out. This is why Costello should be given a go NOW. The more we change corrupted and lazy politicians the harder they'll think about the workplace-immigration-monopoly crimes they are perpetrating-on-average-Australians in the false name of "future-prosperity". They will then realise we KNOW Australia is-already-LOCKED-INTO-a-very-wealthy-MINERALS-future. It's not their bloody secret. In-the-meantime we no longer want to-be-subjugated-into-submission-by-corrupt-half-witted-politicians seuling ethnic-developers (minorities-might-add) with big dollars onto us . They build over our rights, privileges and quiet enjoyment of our major cities, while taking future-wealth off us like-lollies-from-a-baby and sucking-their-thumbs-in-victory to-prove-it. Wake up Australia it's OBVIOUS what's goin' on. If we stop development in SYDSEQ, immigration will cease and Westfields, Macbank and PBL will find other places to make obscene profits and other peoples to cheat out of their heritage.

After a 10 year hiatus from immigration I am sure we will be strong enopugh again to cope with further developments. We all want to be the New York of the Pacific in SYDSEQ, but on OUR TERMS, on a timeline that puts profits out of the reach of specific individuals. We must refuse to dance into oblivion to the turn of some fat overpaid executive's wet dreams. and the same argument applies to Australia as a republic. The longer the transition time the less the motib=vation for opportunism, corruption and injustice.

March 7, vote for Debenham and let HIM know WE want development halted in SYDNEY and our portion of SEQ - the NSW-Nth-Coast. If not, let-him-know-he's-out-as-well.

And anyone who thinks this approach is infantile-or-regressive needs to understand, we'll only get one chance from here. The STAKES ARE SO INCREDIBLY HIGH.
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 1:07:29 AM
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OOPS, I got the wrong forum thread with that previous post!

Global Warming and EDUCATION - indeed!

The 2006 US hurricane season has been unusually Quiet.
The amount of heat built up in the tropical west Atlantic at May this year promised a season of hurricanes in excess of the 2005 record buster.

The reason for this is in some interventions I believe are taking place with wastewater management programs around the Gulf of Mexico, the US east coast and the Caribbean.

I will have more to say on this matter in early September when, if I am correct, the US will have had zero 2006 season hurricanes.

Suffice it to say that this eventuality will be the death knell for the Global Warming and CO2 Greenhouse Gas debate.

IOW, if Climate Change CAN in fact be halted by human intervention then Greenhouse Warming can clearly not be a causal factor.

Till September!
Posted by KAEP, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 1:40:09 AM
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The basis of the IPCC’s claims on global warming is work by Dr Michael Mann, a paleoclimatologist. This work has been investigated by an expert group of statisticians led by leading US statistician Edward Wegman. The Wegman Report finds that “Dr Mann’s assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade of the millennium and that 1988 was the hottest year of the millennium cannot be supported by his analysis.” The group found that Mann et al had misused statistics, and in producing a “hockey stick” graph showing rapid warming after a long period of stable temperatures removed the cycle of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age from the record.

The group found that the Mann work reflected a small group of like-minded people who circulated and per reviewed work amongst themselves, with a “paucity of data”. The Report “calls into question” the independence of peer-review and temperature reconstructions. It found that although the researchers rely heavily on statistical methods, they do not interact with the statistical community.

I haven’t yet read the full report, but a fact sheet includes further serious criticisms of the validity of the work used by the IPCC. You might recall also that the IPCC’s climate change scenarios are all based on economic modelling which has been totally discredited by the statistics and economics communities, which were not consulted. Do I detect a pattern here?

Sorry, I don’t have the links at the moment, Google “wegman report”.

A new ABARE report also casts doubt on the alleged nature of climate change and the IPCC’s warming scenarios (www.abare.gov.au).
Posted by Faustino, Wednesday, 19 July 2006 8:45:09 AM
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Global warming is happening – it is 0.17 degrees centigrade/decade at most and on a falling trend since 1998.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Short_Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

The Earth’s climate system is highly nonlinear: inputs and outputs are not proportional, change is often episodic and abrupt, rather than slow and gradual, and multiple equilibria are the norm. While this is widely accepted, there is a relatively poor understanding of the different types of nonlinearities, how they manifest under various conditions, and whether they reflect a climate system driven by astronomical forcings, by internal feedbacks, or by a combination of both." (Rial, J. et. al., Nonlinearities, feedbacks and critical thresholds within the Earth's climate system/, Climatic Change /65: 11–38, 2004.)

It is a fact that global temperatures have been down in every year since their peak in 1998. This may be a temporary reprieve over a short term, but it is at least consistent with a cool phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. “The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is a long-term ocean fluctuation of the Pacific Ocean. The PDO waxes and wanes approximately every 20 to 30 years. From TOPEX/Poseidon data, together with other oceans and atmospheres data, scientists think we have just entered the 'cool' phase. The 'cool' phase is characterised by a cool wedge of lower than normal sea-surface heights/ocean temperatures in the eastern equatorial Pacific and a warm horseshoe pattern of higher than normal sea-surface heights connecting the north, west and southern Pacific.” (NASA/JPL http://www.earthscape.org/t1/pdo01/) Although there is some thinking that global warming intensified the PDO over the past century, there is no convincing explanation for the phenomenon itself.

A cool phase of the PDO results in a pattern of persistent La Nina events over a couple of decades and, consequently, lower global temperatures. In Australia, the cool phase of a PDO leads to warmer winters, more storms, more cyclones and much more summer rainfall.

Work done in Australia on secular rainfall regimes over nearly a century suggests an increase in summer rainfall of up to 65% in the next few decades.
Posted by indigo, Friday, 18 August 2006 12:53:50 PM
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Clobal warming is happening. It is 0.17 degrees centrigrade per decade and the trend is approximately linear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

At least some of this warming is due to other factors of which little is understood.

"The Earth’s climate system is highly nonlinear: inputs and outputs are not proportional, change is often episodic and abrupt, rather than slow and gradual, and multiple equilibria are the norm. While this is widely accepted, there is a relatively poor understanding of the different types of nonlinearities, how they manifest under various conditions, and whether they reflect a climate system driven by astronomical forcings, by internal feedbacks, or by a combination of both." (Rial, J. et. al., Nonlinearities, feedbacks and critical thresholds within the Earth's climate system/, Climatic Change /65: 11–38, 2004.)

It is a fact that global temperatures have been down in every year since their peak in 1998 consistent with a cool phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

“The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is a long-term ocean fluctuation of the Pacific Ocean. The PDO waxes and wanes approximately every 20 to 30 years. From TOPEX/Poseidon data, together with other oceans and atmospheres data, scientists think we have just entered the 'cool' phase. The 'cool' phase is characterised by a cool wedge of lower than normal sea-surface heights/ocean temperatures in the eastern equatorial Pacific and a warm horseshoe pattern of higher than normal sea-surface heights connecting the north, west and southern Pacific.

(NASA/JPL http://www.earthscape.org/t1/pdo01/).

A cool phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation results in a pattern of persistent La Nina events over a couple of decades and, consequently, lower global temperatures. In Australia, the cool phase of a PDO leads to warmer winters, more storms, more cyclones and much more summer rainfall.

Even a small decrease in global productivity has the potential to result in very much harder lives for billions of people. It is a high price to pay if the extreme amd imminent catastrophic claims of climate change do not eventuaute. The very promising technological route seems a much more humane path to the future of the human race.
Posted by indigo, Monday, 4 September 2006 11:48:18 AM
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I agree with the author, and i do not wish to demean his knowledge and observations.
I am coming from a less lofty position, ie,. grass roots level.
It is hightime that Local Government got involved in addressing the problem of global warning, by encouraging householders, and the making of new building regulations, for change.
Many Australians seem to have a fear of "poo", even though we produce it, and decades ago when sedimintation tanks were used for sewerage processing, resulting in sanitization, and the dispersel of the finished product into creeks and rivers, people were not alarmed and did not suffer from poor health.
A positive way to save bad energy and save water at the same time, would be for all houses to have compost toilets, i know there may be an outbreak of miasma fear, but people had no fear when dunny cans were used.
Many people do building additions, and a compost toilet would not require much space or cost, and grey water recycling could also be incorporated, in the system, as well many other additions, such as drip watering irrigation of the garden.
I realise that there would be fear coming from the water corporates, but no fear of poo from the consumers
Posted by Sarah10, Tuesday, 5 September 2006 9:35:33 AM
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