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Crisis? What water crisis? : Comments

By Ian Mott, published 23/6/2006

Which tank? How much will it cost? The nuts and bolts of saving money and making a profitable investment in your own home.

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Havs will have tanks and be irresponsible for all the illness this construction eventuates in a long time by leaving medical problems for a state to fix up at the end.

Non-havs, that is a part of population in public housing and condominiums, has been simply omitted as non-existing as usual.

It seems, engineering the fools is a very duty of too many allowed being employed in this country which makes reading a US article of some reasonable interest to locals definitely:

How Americans can harness their brain power
By Tom Vilsack

Published: June 29 2006 03:00 | Last updated: June 29 2006 03:00

No matter how they feel about it, most Americans recognise they are participants in a global economy that increasingly affects their own lives and the strength of their country. While some businesses in my own state of Iowa are excited at the opportunity to export their products to new markets, powerful new competitors are challenging US economic leadership, threatening the nation's growth and exposing Americans to a new kind of insecurity.
Full story:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f57e5e84-070b-11db-81d7-0000779e2340.html
Posted by MichaelK., Friday, 30 June 2006 12:54:18 PM
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Sure, Darren E. Go to SEQ Water's web site at www.seqwco.com.au and check out the 2001/2002 Annual Report. An area for particular investigation is the role of Mr Thomas David Fenwick, a former Director General of DNR (the previous responsible department) who became the government's representative on the board of SEQWater AFTER the sale took place.

I have since checked with Ian who advised that the real value of the Dam system, if the flood mitigation capacity was properly charged to CBD businesses and flood prone houses, would be closer to $1.5 billion. And this works out at a neat $1,000 for each Brisbane resident. Nice work if you can get it. See Ian's blog at www.ianmott.blogspot.co
Posted by Perseus, Saturday, 1 July 2006 9:18:47 AM
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The state government has caved in to mounting public pressure and announced a more generous rebate scheme for southeast Queenslanders who install water tanks and will also legalise above-ground greywater systems. More than 60 plumbers will be hired to advise residents how to reduce their water consumption and install water-saving devices, for only $20 a visit. [Courier Mail 1 July].

Residents will now be able to claim significant rebates for tanks, pumps, installation, above and below-ground greywater systems, water-efficient washing machines, shower heads, dual-flush toilets and pool covers.

Well okay. This sounds pretty reasonable.

Peter Beatty also mentions the population density of SEQ as being one on the main problems (as well as the purported drought).

He also today directly connected population growth with pressures on the health system.

So, when is he going to take the next step and admit publicly that the continuous rapid population growth in SEQ is something that must be dealt with by his government?

Rebates and associated measures are fine, but not in isolation. If the population-pressure side of the equation is not addressed, extra demand for water created by population growth will very quickly cancel out and overwhelm even the most optimistic success of his rebates and general water-conservation measures.

It is time for Beatty to bite the bullet and go for sustainability, by addressing head-on the continuous growth issue
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 1 July 2006 11:30:54 PM
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Ludwig, Beattie is just doing the "dead cat bounce". He will grab any excuse that is even vaguely plausible. But it is all a bit rich claiming population density in the SE corner is a problem when the turkey has just passed legislation that rules out just about any development at all on the Gulf Rivers where there is plenty of space and even more water.
Posted by Perseus, Tuesday, 4 July 2006 12:48:35 PM
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Rebates are OK in a case of reasonable levels of water consumption established.

No point for a rebate if equipment is being installed for rebates only.
Posted by MichaelK., Wednesday, 5 July 2006 12:51:16 PM
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Perseus deplores the fact that Peter 'turkey' Beattie "has just passed legislation that rules out just about any development at all on the Gulf Rivers where there is plenty of space and even more water".

This legislation will be overturned when the pressure for land increases enough to make its release worthwhile to professional land speculators if we don't halt population increase.

The posts of Ludwig and Hasbeen complement Ian Mott's excellent article. Ludwig shows that population growth drives the politics and costs of water, and Hasbeen uses the tank idea to demonstrate the logistics of planning population locally by limiting new housing and infrastructure to water catchment, neatly measured in household tanks.

Whilst acknowledging Ludwig's point about population and catchment, Perseus points out that the catchment would in theory support more people if they relied on household tanks instead of community dams and pipelines. I think it was Hasbeen who then suggests that catchment be defined by the driest of droughts and looming climate change. Water is necessary for other sectors besides households and catchment-referenced population planning needs to factor in the greater needs of primary, secondary and tertiary sectors every community depends on if it is composed of households which are not totally self supporting.

Water catchment defines economies and they way water catchment is managed either empowers constituents or dictates to consumers. Apart from being essential for life, of course.

As for dengue fever, another catchment for the dengue organism is the human bloodstream. Perseus is, however, right that education plays the major role in mitigating the place of pooled water in nurturing mosquito lavae. Mosquito lavae will however collect anywhere that water pools, particularly around new estates where bush has recently been destroyed, destroying natural mosquito egg-nurseries. Long thick sleeves and insect repellent during the day helps in these cases, but, let's face it, more humans = less biodiversity = more mosquitos and other vectors specialising in humans = more diseases for us.
Posted by Kanga, Saturday, 29 July 2006 1:38:52 PM
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