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The source of true self : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 13/4/2006

Christianity should have no investment in calling itself a religion among the religions.

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I(key word) understood every word of this.In quick words,I would like to talk to thee in a simple conversation.To prove I undrestand(and have lots to ad)I'll answer the main question of confusion = WHAT MAN BELIEVES MAN HAS CONCIEVED.
Posted by Leeroy, Sunday, 30 April 2006 10:44:55 PM
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keiran, Main belief is we are born perfect to stay perfect,but the struggle of life is the essence of our soul or passion to fight on for family and love.You have to fall down to appreciate gettiing getting up.Therefore What each SELF wants become simple.
Posted by Leeroy, Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:02:58 PM
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hint:(tell the baby the stove is hot as many times as you want, but until the baby touches the stove and is burnt.Then and only then does the baby truely KNOW. experience is the only teacher.
Posted by Leeroy, Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:34:22 PM
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We should always ask questions and in this thread one thought that we may get some theologian or devotees to enlighten one poor Keiran on the causality of how Jesus could be regarded as the "one true human being."

However, Philo genuinely came forward with a victim statement ... "He was made perfect [Hebrews 5: 9] through his suffering...... ", followed by a naive opinion ...... "his perfection did not come by birth or his own will but by the very living out of his life." followed by another more fatalistic opinion ...... "his life was not perfected till it had completed its ultimate mission." These do seem to make some sense in the context and magical presentation of Christianity.

I have always remained open to the fact that Jesus of Nazereth may have been a person who lived on planet Earth. So, the formative influences on his life during his "wilderness years" are of necessity significant but without such "divine revelation" we are forced to have trust and faith. Process and any understanding of causality are simply not needed and that is my concern.

One can only speculate about the early Jesus but this emphasis upon the suffering Jesus, his teachings and bits of magic suggest an enlightenment ......... i.e. A Buddhist enlightenment with its Four Noble Truths (concerning suffering) and the Noble Eightfold Path.

Just where would such an enlightened Jesus speak about himself as the object of worship or as a mediator through which one must go in order to reach Teddy? If Buddhists often speak of the teaching of Buddha as "a finger pointing to the moon" then Christianity only saw the finger which helps to explain that while Jesus said he was a son of Teddy (an enlightened person), Christianity comes out with magic that he was THE (only) son of Teddy. (AND, forget that one is to see and pay attention to that to which the finger points.)

It is not hard to imagine that Jesus has simply become some artificial construction based on a great deal of inventiveness.
Posted by Keiran, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:13:40 PM
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Keiran,

Read the bible, come up with your own conclusions about the person of Jesus, instead of playing with teddys and baby buddahs.
Posted by coach, Thursday, 4 May 2006 6:51:50 AM
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Dear Keiran
the issue about Jesus is settled quite easily. There was much speculation about Him in His own day.

Mark 8.27

27Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, "Who do people say I am?"

Responses:

a) John the Baptist
b) One of the prophets
c) Elijah.

Jesus took it one step closer to home:

he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

Peter answered, "You are the Christ.

Now that they had established his true identity "Messiah".. Jesus began to teach them the true 'content/meaning' of Messiah.

"He will be rejected, suffer and die but on the 3rd day,be raised"

Such an idea of a suffering Messiah was foreign to popular beliefs about him. Hence Peter "Took Jesus aside to rebuke Him"

So far we have:

1/ Jesus is the Messiah
2/ The Messiah came to die (and rise)
3/ This is NOT the human nor popular version of Messiah.

The COST of Discipleship.

"If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35For whoever wants to save his life[c] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? 37Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

Now we have:

1/ True Messiah
2/ True Messianic role
3/ True discipleship.

Even John the Baptist wondered about Jesus.

"Are you the one who is to come, or should we look for another" ?

Jesus said "Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor. 23Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me."

The crucial question Keiran is ....who is Jesus ..'to you'?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 4 May 2006 8:10:53 AM
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