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Someone else might be listening : Comments

By George Williams and David Hume, published 29/3/2006

New proposals for surveillance powers just go too far: government should think again.

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gusi,
good advice, advise that at least 100 Australian's this week who have been unfairly sacked should have taken on board, the "she'll be right mate" approach no longer applies. With authoritian governments such as the current one, we need to stay vigilant.
Posted by SHONGA, Thursday, 30 March 2006 3:25:22 AM
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While I am concerned about the matters at hand .... who is this spooky pete?
Posted by sneekeepete, Thursday, 30 March 2006 8:12:54 AM
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Bejamin,

Good, straight talking. The people who are squealing about surveillance now are the same people who support the idiotic, suicidal policy of multiculturalism and daft politicians who foisted it on us in an anti-democratic way.

Jinx,

Had you been part of my generation you would not have had the dream ride you have enjoyed. If you had experience some of the wars, both cold and actual, you would not now be talking such twaddle and attempting, in your juvenile way, to denigrate older, more experienced people. You might know more than I do about technology, sonny, but you certainly know nothing about life.
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 30 March 2006 10:11:07 AM
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as usual these discussion get muddied by the myth of the power of so called Islamo-fascism and all other manner of half baked theories about islamism and terrorism.

The bottom line for most of us who dont walk around looking over our shoulders, and Benjamin seems to be in the top ten of ticket holders to that nervous association, is that the government has no business knowing any thing about our affairs unless there is due cause - B-Parties or not.

If anyone for a moment thinks that information turned up via the investigation of a third party inadvertantly linked to a so called person of interest will be destroyed or not preserved for later reference then they are a fool - but then that is proved to be self evident here in post after post by those who seem to think the government is wise and or knows things that we dont know and we are best kept in the dark for our safety and that of the nation.

Some where some one said that the people should not be scared of the government but the government should be scared of the people. This and other measures are one attempt to turn the sense of that statement on its head.

- these measures along with plausible deniability by contemporary politicians,limited ministerial responsibility and fogging the provisions of FOI legislations - privately run immigrant gulags, the AWB and Peter Costellos recent stone walling of FOI requests from the Australian (PC has issued a concluisive certificate on documents relating to the first home buyers scheme, speaking of having nothing to hide) all come to mind and add to the diminshed mechanisms where by an oppositions and the electorate can get at or rid of inept incumbents.

There is a higher order issue here that transcends those of terorrism and the need for surveillance but there are too many Australians who have been so frightened as to be shivering under the bed covers to peek out and see the real threat - that is government hubris and control.
Posted by sneekeepete, Thursday, 30 March 2006 11:17:53 AM
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lisamaree is angry that we are talking about Muslims again.

you serious? IS ONLY reason ASIO has tripled in size, thanks to your tax dollars, to watch a community that, although it makes up 2% of population, are leading cause of crime - ranging from street thuggery toorganised syndicates, as well as the terrorism part, just icing on cake really.

Where do you live? If you think that this discussion shouldn't involve Muslims I mean? Obviously not in Sydney.

What, should ASIO watch Methodists, or Protestants instead?

Come on.

It was “Harmony Day” recently, a day where Australians of all colours & creeds celebrate our diversity, and the harmonious multicultural society in which we live. Is this meant to be a joke?

in only past two weeks, drive-by shootings in and around the Greenacre and Bankstown areas almost every night, with a double shooting murder in Granville on Wednesday night. There have been about a dozen armed robberies where the assailants were of middle-eastern appearance, and there was of course the Bulldogs crowd violence.

Behind the scenes, ASIO has had to triple its size so it can watch the middle-eastern community, unemployment is high, and their organised crime syndicates make up about 30% of the market, astonishing for a population of just 2%.

The xenophobic nature of the middle-eastern community ensures that police have no chance of identifying the criminals who bashed & stabbed scores of innocent people in military style raids after the Cronulla riots, which was a reaction to the years of sexual harassment, intimidation, and racist bashings. There are Muslim women swimming lessons, and they’ve petitioned the RTA to stay open after hours so they can take their veils off without infidels present. We see stories on current affairs shows of Muslims who fear their own families will kill them because they are having a relationship with a non-Muslim.

You can have all the picnics with ethnic & religious leaders you want, but engaging in the superficial by sharing plates of food and watching cultural dances does absolutely nothing to change the xenophobia
Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 30 March 2006 2:41:17 PM
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This is an excellent article. These laws that the Howard government is pursuing have nothing to do with national security. They are about this government attempting to suppress and control information.
The Howard government does not uphold the democractic values of freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, and the freedom to dissent. As a christian I can say that these laws have little to do with monitoring the Islamic community in Australia, or monitoring terrorism. They are about control. I know for a fact that western/christian writers, documentary makers, and journalists in Australia have been intimidated, harrassed, vilified, and threatened by officers of the federal Attorney Generals Office, for producing Intellectual Property on September 11th, Iraq, and the west's involvement in these issues.
One Australian documentary maker/journalist, a well known woman, had her personal computers destroyed with a sledgehammer and threatened with 7 years prison if she continued with the documentary. She did, to her credit, and it was broadcast on the ABC last year and can be purchased in Dymocks Bookstore.
Australians wake up. This government is evil and as a western christian writer, I have nothing to hide, a duty to research and write about all sorts of social and political issues, and yet I would probably be vilified in the same manner as others have been under this government. This article highlights the need for more Australians to articulate to preserve democratic values in Australia. And if people continue to support this government, we will not be living in a democracy for much longer.
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Posted by Teresa van Lieshout, Thursday, 30 March 2006 6:45:47 PM
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