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Why 'On Line Opinion' hasn’t published those cartoons : Comments

By Graham Young, published 9/2/2006

Can the West have a meaningful conversation with Islam while down-playing its commitment to free speech?

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David Latimer

My original question was directed, not to you, but to Fellow-Human, who had made the following misleading comment:

" No Arab has superiority over a non-Arab, and no non-Arab has superiority over an Arab...The criteria for acceptance in the sight of God are righteousness and honest living."

That you needed to answer and defend FH's position in the oblique fashion you did surpried me. Especially since FH has 'ducked for cover'.

I'll repeat my question and your answer

'Does the same apply to Muslims and Christians and Jews and Buddahists and athiests and agnostic's and Satanists etc? Or is Islam and it's adherents superior to the adherents of other faiths or beliefs or non-believers?'

Your answer:

'Yes. A christian arab is not superior to a non-christian arab. A athiest non-arab is not superior to a athiest arab and so on.'

You answer contradicts the Quran.

Btw David it was FH who raised the spectre of religion in his original post. I responded to that reference so you allegation I 'lumped people' together is a patent fabrication at worst or a simple lack in your comprehension abilities at best.

I assumed nothing in your original post you were quite clear in your statements.
Forget the insults David they only show you don't have a defensible position.
Posted by keith, Sunday, 12 February 2006 11:07:09 PM
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Keith,

Not sure why you assume I am gone.
Re-read my posting to understand: the Islamic faith equates believers (As it does address believers and not Muslims).

Good believers have 70+ definitions. It does not matter what colour ethinicity or gender you are.

Now I am not arguing the existence of some bad practices by muslims (and non-Muslims). I am just pointing the difference between theory and practice.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Monday, 13 February 2006 8:24:57 AM
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Would someone who has seen the "cartoons" and agrees with the freedom of speech argument, care to provide a "thousand words" to illustrate/demonstrate this freedom of speech? Just pick any one of the images.
Posted by clink, Monday, 13 February 2006 11:54:19 AM
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Keith seems to be unhappy about the way I have tried to answer his many questions. Perhaps he could enlighten us as to where the Qur'an says that a christian arab is superior to a non-christian arab! Not that I felt a need to check. I was writing from my own perspective.

Why is he suprised that I am defending Fellow-Human? Good on him for mentioning that quote. I am not sure which translation was used, but the Farewell Sermon quote can be found in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farewell_Sermon. OK, perhaps there was no need to mention Leviticus, which is interpreted broadly.

All this hot air by Keith about misinformation, fabrication and falsehood is quite a joke. And now, he is insulted! I take heart that the rest of us in this forum can engage in vigourous, but respectful debate.

Thanks Terje for providing the best post I've yet read in OLO.
Posted by David Latimer, Monday, 13 February 2006 12:46:54 PM
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Good decision Graham. I've seen the cartoons on Blair's web site and they weren't even worth publishing - they have no context and aren't genuinely funny.
Posted by Noos, Monday, 13 February 2006 3:28:54 PM
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Noos-

They do have context. They are at the centre of a massive international row. They are a primary source, and their aesthetic qualities are totally irrelevant. The media has a duty to publish them.

Also, the virgins one is pretty funny.
Posted by KRS 1, Monday, 13 February 2006 3:34:32 PM
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