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Taking the sharp edge off our fears : Comments
By Andrew Bartlett, published 27/1/2006Andrew Bartlett argues Australia needs to put some serious resources into multiculturalism and migrant settlement programs.
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Posted by fide mae, Monday, 30 January 2006 4:21:32 PM
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“I think its time to admit that Andrew Bartlett is totally unfit for the job.” Fide mae, it pains me greatly, but I’ll have to agree.
. Yobbo, I wrote; “I don’t advocate closing our borders, I advocate net zero immigration with a doubling of the refugee intake and a greatly improved international aid effort", to which you replied; “Dumbest idea ever. Humanitarian refugees are the worst of all performing migrant groups. It would be much better for Australia to accept zero humanitarian entrants and simply increase our intake of skilled tradespeople. We only take refugees out of the goodness of our hearts, they are a net drain on the rest of Australia.” This indicates that you have a very narrow perspective, seeing only what you perceive to be good for us in the short term. Of course we take refugees for non-selfish reasons. Is there something wrong with that? Yes they are a net drain on Australia, at least in the short term. But if we were to double our refugee intake within a total immigration intake of not more than 35 000, the net drain on Australia from immigration would be reduced to about a third or less of what it is now. You think of our refugee intake purely in terms of what it costs us. Similarly, you see only the apparent short-term benefits of taking more skilled migrants, with no thought of what skills we really need, why we aren’t concentrating on training up our own citizens with these skills, what it means for the skills base in countries where these people come, what taking in more people would mean with respect to sustainability when we already have a ridiculously high immigration intake, and so on. So what is really dumb? This sort of terribly narrow perspective. Posted by Ludwig, Monday, 30 January 2006 4:40:45 PM
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Fida
I’m so sick of them, I’d happily pay extra to pay em off and get them out, even if I had to pay it off weekly for the rest of my life! This is why I despise the vile islam in my country http://www.islam.org.au/articles/16/RACISM.HTM read this link and pass it on Posted by meredith, Monday, 30 January 2006 4:52:22 PM
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Careful Meredith, Fida Mae could soon have you reduced to an agreement button!
Posted by Froggie, Monday, 30 January 2006 4:57:43 PM
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What was it that Paul Keating said about the Senate?
How can you get "opps" out of "oops". On the right of this debate you have "Friedrich" and on the left you have the pseudo-intellectuals( the ones with a phd in gall). In the middle are the rest. The way this country is going we'll be lucky to get a republic, especially with "gall" and the Senate involved. We have three problems in Australia today. Multiculturalism, Muslim immigration and pseudo-intellectuals who should have spent less time at university reading Karl Marx and Mills and Boon and more time drinking their fluffy ducks. Posted by FRIEDRICH, Monday, 30 January 2006 5:27:53 PM
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David Latimer. In dictionary.com there are two meanings to the word racism as such.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. If you say that both the interpretations of racism are negative and that we are not even allowed to have a belief that a particular race is different and superior to another without being seen as bad and being racists then Muslims must be the most racist of the lot because they believe that their race is superior and their Religion is the only true religion and some have even declared Jihad against those that they call infidels. If all people were good, then it wouldn’t be a problem as people would accept that some are going to believe that they are more superior than others, so what! Like I said before, so long as you don’t do anything illegal or immoral and we treat others with respect we should have Freedom of Thought and Freedom of Choice. Calling somebody a racist just for voicing their concerns and opinions about other cultures is a form of bullying. Just like discrediting a person for voicing their concerns about bullying is a form of bullying. The word racism is being used as a weapon and as protection by some. I just look at the tolerance levels of the different religions and my survival instincts tell me that if Muslims believe that they are superior to others (yet they refuse to see or acknowledge that superiority as racism) and they are known not to be tolerant of the ways of others and are known to resort to violence, then it isn't in our best interest to be putting our head in the sand. Posted by Jolanda, Monday, 30 January 2006 7:15:45 PM
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Lets start suggesting our own policies, as some have already done.
I think we should stop immigration and keep refugee immigration the same as now, until our infrastructure can handle them (or at least us). I also think it would be wise to give the muslim community $100000 or so per family and be rid of their ideology. $100000 could easily buy a mansion with enough left over to live of for several years in afghanistan etc. Of course those who are refugees are always welcome and those muslim refugees are not included in this statement, unless they request to go to a third country. The five to ten year break will give all australians the time needed to truly assess where we take migrants from, and who we prefer. Part of this strategy would include the acceptance of the pacific islander's suggestion of thier seasonal guest workers (for fruit picking etc). the mining sector will need to raise its payments to employees so as to get their workers, they rake in the cash anyway. Fruit growers on the other hand, arn't raking in nothing but thier fruit, back into the ground coz noone will pick it before it goes rotten (or the price is too high).
If only OLO had a "agreement' button, so we could see how many agreed with each policy (and or statement in usual threads, this would save the "i agree with blabla" people who don't add anything but length to the thread)