...and there you have it Brushy.... the continual weighing up of incompatable interests and alliances..

"Should we whack Iran ? hmmm China backs them"... this could get ugly. So, perhaps pandering to China, is like continually feeding the baby monkey that jumped onto our neck, and at first was cute, but it would not get off, and continually demanded food..but it got heavier and heavier.. until it grew so big we were struggling to carry it.. and finally it broke our back with its weight.

The main lesson in that, is that China will always act in its OWN interests, and we only fit into those as consumers.

If I was Chinese, and not a Christian, I'd be thinking "Yes.. those humiliating Opium wars.. almost destroyed the fabric of our society, and the Sasoons from Bagdad and English together cared about us only as far as the next opium shipment and the dollars it would put into their coffers.. and then.. the 'treaty' of Nanjing.. forcing us to accept Opium, and also pay HUGE reparations and punitive payments to the Sasoons and the British for 'economic losses'

As the Sassoons spread their ethnic tentacles all over China, with family members in every key position of their trading companies, and the British backed them with the gunboats...destroying our youth, debilitating our culture, wrecking a generation... yes.. we have not forgotten.. and now.. its OUR TURN......

yes.. as the prophet Habakkuk said..

"Look at the nations and watch—
and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days
that you would not believe,
even if you were told.

I am raising up the Babylonians, [a]
that ruthless and impetuous people,
who sweep across the whole earth
to seize dwelling places not their own

Differnt place...different time... but principle the same.

Education is the key however there are different types of education and outcomes. What is having the most significant impact on society is the way people are being treated, the Education being received in the playground and the streets and the way that our children are being groomed and educated whilst in that environment. For most people, all their life they have been told, if they ever complained about any harassment, unfair treatment or injustices, that life is tough so get used to it!

Well, now people are used to it and many have learnt that “if you cant beat them, its best to join them as the bullies are the ones that are protected. Just like the criminals!

Victims who happen to complain are seen as whingers and trouble makers and accused of having a victim mentality. You are supposed to accept being treated like a piece of dirt as that is the life the Government is supporting. We are being desensitized to violence and unfair treatment so that we get used to it and see it as normal and don’t complain.

As a result of the process used to deal with these issues so many people feel hard done by and are aggressive and hostile. The system has succeeded in destabilizing the community and making it live in a fearful and hostile environment where bullies rule and where the trend is to ignore the victims.. Most people now care about others as much as others care about them.

It has even gone one step further and bullying has progressed to a form of terrorism and since bullying is not against the Law we have to wait until they drop a bomb. We are still advised not to let it get to us and to go on with life as normal whilst the system appears to do nothing to stop these terrorists. The question has to be asked, who is the system protecting and why?

WE are a product of our environment. If there isn't an overhaul and change in attitude in society, things will only get worse.

Hello Jolanda

"What we have here is a failure to communicate" Paul Newman - Cool Hand Luke

OK, I will try again re your post "Scout. You see the thing is that you can be a right brain thinker and not vote Liberal. Just like you can be a left brain thinker and not vote Labor"

I know that, that is what I thought I was trying to convey to you when I stated "While some people's intellectual abilities may be dominated by either right or left hemisphere this plays no part in whether a person is conservative or radical in their political beliefs."

The reason I started this is because you originally posted "The Right are more visual spacial, they tend to be more creative and intelligent and need to see a big picture before they can fill in the blanks - they learn by experience and learn by trial and error.

The Left are Audio Sequential, they tend to do things by the book. The left believe that they need Policies and rules - they learn by hearing and memorising. Many left thinkers believe that just having a Policy on something is going to make a difference. They dont learn by trial and error. They dont actually appear to learn at all. They just have more enquiries and write more Policies. "

Apart from the above being a gross generalisation it is also inaccurate, suggest you check out:

http://www.intelligenceltd.com/rightleftbrain.asp

I hope you find the site interesting and fun.

How our brains are wired has no bearing on whether we are out and out commos or rabid right wing nazis.

When I first started voting I voted Liberal, then Labor now I vote according to how just and fair a politician's platform is.

You really can't generalise about whether we are creative intuitive thinkers or objective style thinkers and whether that affects our abilities to learn.

Both brain types can have high IQ's.

Cheers

Scout, I was interested in your comment "is conservative or radical" as descriptions of right and left political views.

That is a different perspective than the one I hold on the difference between left and right political orientation.

I've tended to see myself as being on the "right" of politics because of the view that the right has a stronger bias towards individual freedom, responsibility and opportunity whereas I see the left as promoting the type of state where those who refuse to act responsibly should have no consequences to those actions.

Clearly that is a very generalised view which does not closely match the realities of the mainstream parties, an idea of orientation rather than specific policy. I'm conservative on some issues but don't see being conservative as core to my world view, I do see personal responsibility and freedom as core.

Any other thoughts on the core difference's between "Left and Right" from other posters? Do others see this as an issue of conservative vs radical or personal responsibility vs lack of personal responsibility?

Cheers
R0bert

To "The alchemist" I think you need to seek professional help soon to help you deal with your delusions. Irrational hate on the level your at can only led to trouble.

The trouble with people like "The alchemist" and other poster is they believe they have thought through the issues when in fact they haven’t. There is a good reason why almost people who actually study these sort of issues become moderates. No matter what their leanings left or right this happens to them because they eventually learn that there are so many paths, each equally valid for different people that it is counter productive to impose one narrow path. It is human nature to hold your opinions in a higher regard then one different to yours. To over look the short comings of your own opinions and concentrate on the short comings of others. The only enemy of our future is radicalism of any flavour. All the world problems are caused by people believing that their ideas are worth killing for. Our political and legal systems are the culmination of 100,000 years of the human existence and will continue to evolve as our society does. It’s easy to point out the flaws in our system (try living somewhere else) but much harder to come up with realist alternatives. So "The alchemist" go into that great Aussie place the room of mirrors and have a good hard look at yourself

Selling cigarettes for three years in a milk bar in country victoria does not give you any special powers of revolution or soothsaying...and although it got your house paid off and got you through a private school, it is not proven that these outcomes are in fact the epitome of, or even the major currents of, a 'succesfull' life or desired 'dream'.

In fact it is more suggestive that you are either a fantasist, a massive rip off merchant (which has broader implications for the transactional abilities of the good folk of Corinella), or that your parents sold cannabis on the side! Many people can not afford to buy a run down milk bar, nor obtain a mortgage on a family home, nor put their children through private school. And some people do not want to.

I am suspicious of people who promote things like how to avoid the terms left and right. I suspect they are cultish. I suspect they are from the right. I suspect it is called hegemony.