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Nguyen Tuong Van is not alone : Comments

By Keith Kennelly, published 1/12/2005

Keith Kennelly examines the extent and use of the death penalty around the world.

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Pariah,

The reason I support the idea that an individual is subject to the law of the country they are in is quite simple.

If our citizens (presumably included those with multiple nationalities) remain subject to our law, regardless of where they are caught for offending against our law, then so do the citizens of other nations.

This would have serious consequences for those entering this country as refugees for instance. As in order to qualify for 'refugee status' most must demonstrate that they are persecuted in their country of origin, this demonstrably translates into the situation that whilst a citizen of their original country, they did offend that countries law. Do you suggest therefore that they should be transported back to their original country to face that nations version of justice?

additionally, in some nations it is quite legal to perform female genital mutilation (circumcision), or alternately to kill females for resons of honour. Do you suggest that dual nationals or visitiors with appropriate nationality should not be punished if they commit these acts in Australia? Should citizens of some nations be sentenced under sharia law for offences in Australia, should Australia deport people to face torture or death?

Whilst I do not support Capital Punishment per se (because of the inevitable miscarriages of justice that could/would occur)your suggested extension of law to cover a nations citizens in other nations is a two edged sword, a solution that may indeed pose greater danger than the problem it solves.
Posted by Aaron, Monday, 5 December 2005 4:35:21 PM
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>>Duralex rex est rex- Bad law is a law anyway.<<

Not trying to be picky, but I hate to see a latin tag mangled.

The phrase you are looking for MichaelK is "dura lex est lex" - a hard law is still a law.

I think you'll find "Duralex rex est rex" is more likely to translate as "a king in a tin of paint is still a king"
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 5 December 2005 4:53:41 PM
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Redneck,

"I suggest that whoever gave you your statistic knew that he was preaching to the converted and that you would not bother to verify if it was true."

Quite possibly. I've done a lot of looking into it since this Nguyen business and it's impossible to get anything solid for many reasons. I just don't think we've hit a point yet in society where we need to start looking at capital punishment but that opinion can be relative on many different levels.

After reading a lot of your posts, I'm starting to see your roots lie and where your opinions come from. I see now where you get these sorts of opinions and I'm sure I'd see the world very similar way in your situation. So I guess were down to opinion based on upbringing and culture.

You see capital punishment as worth it; I see it as out-dated, uncivilised and not worth it despite the costs of prisoners.

So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Posted by Space Cadet, Monday, 5 December 2005 6:30:58 PM
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Anybody from a non allied Army who's uniform was a different colour to mine, Mr Hedgehog.
Posted by redneck, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 6:05:46 AM
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Redneck, i am a 50 year old Australian, i ask you again---Who was that enemy threatening our country? PS: Its Ms Hedgehog, Trooper.
YOU were not really in an army were you?
Posted by hedgehog, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 8:30:33 AM
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--- Who were the enemies of your country, Trooper Redneck?
Posted by hedgehog, Monday, 5 December 2005 4:25:26 PM ---

Everyone who has a slightly different opinion. Especially, among those non-England-natives linked who do not assume themselves being a lower race because of not being Britain-related.

--- >>Duralex rex est rex- Bad law is a law anyway.<<Not trying to be picky, but I hate to see a latin tag mangled.The phrase you are looking for MichaelK is "dura lex est lex" - a hard law is still a law.I think you'll find "Duralex rex est rex" is more likely to translate as "a king in a tin of paint is still a king" Posted by Pericles, Monday, 5 December 2005 4:53:41 PM ---

Does it change a core of an issue?
Prensa Latina est no penis honina.
Posted by MichaelK., Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:38:55 AM
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