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In defence of student unions : Comments
By Ronan Lee and Jess Pugh, published 14/7/2005Ronan Lee and Jess Pugh argue in favour of compulsory student unionism.
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Posted by Sniggid, Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:42:39 PM
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And if you don't join, those who want to will be left with nothing worth joining. Economies of scale. Read Garrett Hardin on "The Tragedy of the Commons". People will naturally try to get things which have to be paid for, for nothing. And if enough try to get a free ride, then these things can't be paid for, and will be lost to all. Cheap drinks. Free dentistry. On-site child care. Housing office, and lots more. These things need wide acceptance of a fairly trifling fee before they can be viable. Sort of like social clubs without the pokie revenue. Or health insurance without that bloody silly 30 per cent rebate.
Posted by anomie, Thursday, 14 July 2005 3:04:50 PM
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Excuse me, but my yearly income is around $5500. The Sydney uni union fee is nearly 10% of this. I cannot even afford to have a swim at the Sydney Uni Aquatic Centre (even though I pay compulsory sports union fees), so I am forced to swim in the murky waters of the privately run Victoria park pool which is cheaper even though it isn't subsidised, go figure! Meanwhile, all the rowers, tennis players, water polo players (who traditionally come from private schools) make use all the lovely University facilities that my poor ass subsidises. I wonder why I don't walk around campus with MUG written on my forehead. I am not a bloody philanthropist.
How can you possibly wonder why I support VSU? Posted by strayan, Thursday, 14 July 2005 5:55:37 PM
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I agree with compulsory student unionism, especially for the services it provides for students. Services that would otherwise not be available.
However, I also feel student unions also manifest an elitism in student politics that sees the worst from both sides of the political fence. Ronan Lee entered politics through student unionism so its no surprise to me that he should join Jess Pugh is writing this unexceptional piece on VSU. If the Labor party current branch stacking, secretive and incestuous culture is anything to go by, I'm left wondering to what extent this call for compulsory student unionism by Lee is motivated by his own party loyalty to retain to access to - and retain - this same culture in university unions. My support of CSU is not because I want to see yet more uninspiring and dull young Laborites like Lee getting into parliament via the Labor party’s dysfunctional branch stacking regimes. Yes! lets have compulsory unionism on university campuses but lets also limit the way in which these unions are co-opted by Major parties. If student unionism is a focus on providing much needed services to students, let them be just that. They should not be uncumbators and a training ground for aspiring Labor or Liberal machine men/women aka, career politicians Posted by Rainier, Thursday, 14 July 2005 10:14:03 PM
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"Studying for a Bachelor of Arts at the University of Queensland, Michael will rely on his student union to help him find a share house near to the university, he will look for part-time work with the help of the union’s employment service...."
The University of Queensland provides its own accomodation services website (http://www.accommodation.uq.edu.au/). Other services such as counselling, financial assistance, employment, grievance procedures, disability support, and international student support, are provided by Student Support Services (http://www.sss.uq.edu.au). To my knowledge, neither of these services are affiliated with the Student Union or paid for by compulsory union fees. In my opinion, the only 'essential' service which the unions provide is clubs and socs. Although it definitely is not worth paying $300/year plus club membership fees to join them. Posted by jimar, Thursday, 14 July 2005 10:18:02 PM
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When I was 18 years old I left my parents home in the country and moved 600km to the city to attend university. I lived on a modest income. I resented the student union fee every year that I was at University. It was a hinderence not a help.
Free association should mean free to sit this one out. Free to not join in. Free to exclude yourself from both the benefits and the costs. Free to make your own decisions about what is good for you. Free to not pay for other peoples propoganda. Free to say "up yours" to people who try and impose their will apon your time, money and life. Abolish the bastard of a tax Posted by Terje, Friday, 15 July 2005 9:28:11 PM
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I have studied at three universities as either a part-time evening student or as a distance ed. student. In each instance I received no benefit whatsoever from my compulsory contribution to the respective universities’ student unions’ coffers.
CSU is a rort; economic rent to the primary benefit of those actively involved in or running the union and with limited or no payback to those who are more interested in their academic progress. Mandatory membership is a socialist anachronism, irrelevant in a free and democratic society. Posted by Greenlight, Sunday, 17 July 2005 10:30:32 PM
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Absolutely fantastic to see the general opposition in the comments to compulsory student unionism...
I have just finished a 5 year LLB/BA, and now am undertaking post graduate studies. Never once in all that time did the student union help me with a thing! In fact massive issues like expensive parking, night time security, and university policy on outside work were ignored by the union. Instead 'our' president was off attending May Day protests, throwing eggs at Howard government cabinet ministers, and blockading detention centres. She was meant to be enrolled in my course but never once did I share a subject with her (she had 490CP to complete)! Unfortunately in university student elections, the minority interest groups have hijacked student services in the name of politics by intimidating all those who are at uni to learn (not protest). Posted by wre, Monday, 25 July 2005 2:14:33 PM
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I go back to 1965 when I enrolled and paid for and recieved my union card It was my prized posession and I kept it for may years after leaving uni till it fell apart. I don't remember using any of the benefits it bestowed. Since then I have paid compulsory medicare for health compulsory rates for services compulsory insurance car and house compulsory tax for the the priveledge of living in a fascist state.None of them come near the pride I had in my union payment and card of recognition.All the arguments about what it pays for and the consequenses of its loss have already been made.
Skeeter Posted by skeeter, Friday, 29 July 2005 12:16:27 AM
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The analogy of student union fees to bus tickets is feeble. In the case of Union fees, no matter how flat broke a student may be who is relying on transfer payments to fund their day to day living they still pay the same amount. However, most other fees and charges levied (even the rates now) turn to some extent on capacity to pay.
Even public transport and bakeries have entrenched concessional fees for low income earners. Centrelink kindly issue cards to identify these people. There would be no duplication of admistritive effort in not levying fees against people on youth dole. To say that it is beyond the capacity of the University who already levy the fees to have a differential or concessional rate is falacious, especially when they already know who is recieving transfer payments. Student Union fees do not necessarily need to be levied directly to the students themselves. There are alternative administritive arrangements that could for instance see Student Union fees added onto HECS debts. This would be cheaper than chasing 20,000 small debts. The other fundamental problem is that a student union is not the same as government in its functions or role. Government is distinguished by its legislative and legal capacity. The roles vested to government that allow them to hand out dole cheques does not flow alone from an empowering act of a state government.That is clear enough. In that point lies the distinction. That unions provide texture to campus life is questionable, but assuming that they do then surely it for the individual student to decide if they wish to join the union and for others to provide the essential services on campus. That is how our welfare state works. It does not put the obligation on collectives of individuals but rather on the state Posted by Berty, Friday, 29 July 2005 12:47:05 PM
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More students (compared with say 10 years ago) are NOT spending their entire day on campus. Most are now forced into taking part time work to pay for their studies. Has this had an effect on the role of student unions? Most definitely. They must now cater for students who work and study.
The substantive linkages between the kinds of services student unions provide to a changing demography have never been clearly made in higher education policy. Indeed most Vice Chancellors have ignored this aspect of student life on their university campuses. One of the reasons for the VC's arms length approach is that student unions are inherently political bodies. Will the services once provided by student unions (once CSU is abolished) be taken by private operators? What role will student unionism or representation play in selecting these service providers? Student unionism will not disappear into the ether, but it will need to take on a much more corporate role in the near future. The argument for CSU by Lee and Pugh is now redundant. The arguments for how VSU will interface into a corporate model of service delivery to a work/study student body have yet to emerge. Posted by Rainier, Friday, 29 July 2005 4:52:52 PM
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Proponents of compulsory student unions don't like choice so they come up with all sorts of reasons to justify denying students the right to choose.