Morganzola” I think that sex should be illegal for all people, except for
1 married
2 Christian
3 heterosexuals
4 over the age of 21
5 who only use the missionary position and
6 for the purposes of reproduction.
7 Sex for pleasure should be banned completely,
8 as should any form of eroticism.”

I guess I would be condemned on 6 or the 8 points (assuming fundamentalists are not the ones who determine who is Christian and who is not and me being “heterosexual” I get a free pass).

I realise you posted this with "sarcasm aforemost". However, it would run not too far from what “fundamentalists” would inflict upon us in the name of their interpretation of religious / legal belief.

There is only one criteria in this which matters in people exercising personal choice –

are those people “old enough” to understand and exercise consent, free of intimidation and coercion?

As to the religious zealots – their opinion and interference is neither needed, required or welcome.
For all people "choice" in options of intimacy is as imprtoant as choice in religious beliefs, choice in suffrage and for women, choice in the matter of abortion.

Govts not properly legislating for morality.

Which is why we have 'harm reduction' advocates teaching 8 year old girls to say 'condom please' in English, German and Japanese. My own experience for what it is worth, is that pimps make very poor health care practitioners. It is not really about 'sex before marriage', it is often about people trying to get the NAMBLA philosophy into legislation. Govts are generally expected to put people in prison to enforce moral codes against one thing or another.

Heroin
Sex with animals
Child pornography
Rape
Homicide
Public sex
Spreading HIV deliberately
Selling alcohol to children
Underage sex (*)

You name it and one can often go to prison for it. Ultimately the moral code has to be fixed at a age in the case of sex and children. It (*) will usually have a number, 16, 18, or 21 and the number depends on the place. Countries which have consent ages of 12, 14 etc. tend to attract a lot of paedophiles and sex tourists. The reason for that is they prefer not to go to prison. That brings me back to very young girls learning basic 'condom please' phrases in German, English and Japanese. Sex tourists want to have sex with young boys and girls - why make it legal?

Well said Cadiz

For Col and Morgan, for goodness sake u guys, that list was not just a straw man it was a proverbial BONFIRE.
Where in the WORLD are u guys getting your information from about what christians believe about sex ?
Just because Fred Nile may once have suggested that some kinds of sexual activity are 'not acceptable' does not make him the Pope :) NOR does it make him RIGHT.
My Bible says pretty much zero about what a married man and woman can or cannot do in the privacy of their bedrooms. (or kitchen ? :)
It lays down principles about love, caring and self sacrifice.
The closest it comes is to refer to 'conjugal rights' and 'don't deny each other' but as for the fine print, well, 'have fun' is all I can say, but not fun which would place any barrier between you and God, and that is something each individual has to work out.

Hows about we make a deal. MOrgan, before you go foaming at the mouth about every bad thing u've ever heard about Christian behavior on 60 minutes :) try reading THE BIBLE on the relevant subject area.

Oh, just one point which cropped up in another thread, about 'God in the old testament sanctioning the taking of young virgins as sex toys after killing their relatives', umm that is actually quite incorrect.
Captive females were to be treated according to the Law, and such treatment (while VERY different from our politically 'correct' (cough) cultural view) is still quite humane given the circumstances of the ERA.
I suppose I have less trouble with these kinds of issues, because I've lived among(and married into) a people who did face the same kind of 'kill or be killed' "raid or be raided' "subjegate or be subjugated" situation, and I have to say that the Old testament came alive as never before when I was confronted with it in real life.

Boaz wrote: "Hows about we make a deal. MOrgan, before you go foaming at the mouth about every bad thing u've ever heard about Christian behavior on 60 minutes :) try reading THE BIBLE on the relevant subject area."

No deal, Bozo. While, as I've said before, the Bible is right up there with the Iliad, Mahabharata, even The Lord of the Rings, there's only so many times I can read that anthology of Semitic goat-herders' myths and legends. Personally I preferred The Da Vinci Code, which dealt with much of the same material but doesn't pretend to be anything other than fiction.

And I don't watch "60 Minutes" - perhaps because my bulldust meter is more sensitive than yours.

Happy Compassion Day :)

Morgan

I read Dr Kang's article and was utterly depressed by what I read. For her to couple support for laws that promote the responsible care of children and young people with the nurture of "the safe and healthy development of the individual's sexuality (and I presume she meant these same children and young people) in all its glorious variety" beggars belief. I notice she dislikes Christian, particularly puritan notions of right and wrong. I wonder what she knows about them - if as much as Morgan and Col Rouge then God help the society she is trying to fashion! I suggest Dr Kang actually checked out what former generations who embraced Christianity (including its puritan) forms said and achieved and then compare with today's highly dysfunctional society. I suspect future generations will be very harsh on this current self absorbed, self serving generation, and one thing is for sure, there will be a lot less of them with current birth-rates and not only that but the religious will form a much higher proportion, because they actually love children and nurture them in good and godly ways.

Thank you Reality Check, Sells, J Sheehan and Cadiz – spot on.

Like Boaz David I find it hard to take Col Rouge and Morgan seriously.

They apparently think and certainly want others to believe, Christians think sex should be illegal for all people, except for
1. married - this is true, we do think this
2. Christian - but this is rubbish, though not to say that we wouldn't like all people to be christian
3. heterosexuals - this also is true, well done Col Rouge and Morgan, you have got 2 out of 8 correct
but all of the following is complete rubbish
4. over the age of 21
5. who only use the missionary position and
6. for the purposes of reproduction.
7. Sex for pleasure should be banned completely,
8. as should any form of eroticism.”

Mind you, we do believe sex (hopefully within a stable and loving marriage relationship) is for bringing the next generation into the world.

On a cultural note:

Dr Kang has opened a very dangerous can of worms here. To be brutally honest, a pubescent girl, can cope with very early marraige and sexual relations and child bearing IF, and its a HUGE "IF" all the other social and cultural supports were in place, and in balance.
(such as close by extended family)

This might surprise some of my brethren (me saying this) but I'm very aware of how this works from my own wifes culture, so I don't speak from ignorance.
The danger and problem for us, is that our age of concent is selected, to achieve specific social goals, within OUR culture and to mess with it, could produce incalculable damage to many precious lives. We are not Indian, nor Chinese, nor Mexican- we are mainly Europeans of Judao Christian background and heritage and we have a pretty strong emphasis on idividuality. For these reasons, our age of consent is part of our cultural and social balance which is needed to maintain stability and harmony.

MOrgan, and Col, 'right up there' eh ? :) Fancy that, well thats what they said about various passages in the Old Testament which mentioned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and others, UNTIL, archeology uncovered them or references to them in cuniform tablets etc. Reading Genesis, one is struck by the amazing way that the various races are quite well explained in the Mesopotamean area, from Individual, to Family to Tribe and City states etc. If only you guys had the right equipment (attitude) to 'mine' the gold which resides there. Pretty well all of the 'questions/accusations' which are habitually regurgitated here would be answered.

As for me, I still appreciate the give and take, even if some express dissatisfaction with our foundation position.

I guess we will have to pray on eh :)