>>Brazuca – why your comparative reference to Jews (I note you have done same on another topic) is wrong is simple

Any reference to differences of treatment between one person and another separate individual person has no basis for comparison when applied to a Woman exercising a decision over something which is developing within her own body – viz – something which is not separate nor individual.

Even when you know the woman’s circumstances, motivation, expectations, desires and sought destiny you still do not have the right to make up her mind for her. She is sovereign of her own body and all that it contains – you are sovereign of your body too – but only yours and not of hers.<<

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You talk of rights above, Col. But as I asked before, are rights (and what constitutes a right and what doesn't) a matter of subjective opinion or objective truth? If the former, how do you know which subjective opinion is the correct one if there's more than one? If the latter, how come this objective truth exists and from where does it derive?

C'mon, Col, I know you can do it. ;-)

Kenny,

You sound so sexy when you talk pink. How do you feel about same-sex love?

You’ve caught me in a very strangely tolerant mood this evening, and I’m kinda wondering what you’re wearing. I hope you’re also feeling extra tolerant, because tolerance is key … and shhh, let’s exercise some consensual discretion here – BOAZ would more than likely disapprove. Let’s just forget about the slavery, the nuclear whatever, and especially the hate – for we now have an opportunity, fleeting as it may seem, to turn it all into something more beautiful …

Tentatively,
Seeker

Brazuca – “how do you know which subjective opinion is the correct one if there's more than one”

Most of what is used to guide our lives is subjective opinion (I posted to this effect on another thread). You might want to wait until all the “objective truth” is “discovered” to help you determine what is “absolutely right” but I expect to live only around 4 score years or so and do not have a millennia to wait for the result, so I will go with “subject opinion” – like 99.95% (3SD from the mean) of the population and accept legal and moral codes based on subjective opinion.

Some of us call it “faith” – not necessarily “religious faith” (lets face it the behaviour of most religions has been seen to be pretty corrupt and despicable in recent years, I am surprised anyone who can think for themselves can have any “faith” in an organised religion of any sort or flavour these days). I have faith to follow the ethics and reasoning of my own mind.

So I will go where my faith takes me – and it takes me to the conclusion that “abortion is a matter of an individual woman deciding how her body will be used”. It is her decision and no one elses – because – no one else is involved (to any meaningful extent) as that individual woman (not even the father).

Now maybe you will produce the “objective truth” or “subjective opinion” you have which establishes the authority for a state or stranger to enforce a woman to endure a pregnancy against her will – I am waiting - but will not hold my breath - my complexion is better a rosey hue than blue.

Hi ! My names Kenny, and I just read some comments here, and I'll quickly look up my 'Socialist Protest Handbook' where it says "The truth doesn't matter, just shout long and hard our usual slogans "Racist, Intolerant, Sexist" etc.... some mud must stick in the end blah blah.
KENNY ! *shake* WAKE UP please mate, you are becoming increasingly irrational bro.... resorting to shallow trite slogans instead of critical evaluation ?

Kenny, it seems to me u just don't want to face up to truth, u haven't as yet provided me with an email where I can send you a pic just a week or 2 old of a slave owner with her former slaves, who were given freedom, land and resources because of the 'intolerant/slaving/racist' gospel that you so delight in detesting. Come back to the real world me boy... or I'll only look at your posts for their 'humor' value.

OH.. dont forget, 'relic of 50s' will be at Telstra Dome THIS WEEKEND the son of Evangelist Billy Graham (Franklin) and some extra ordinary artists, including Marina Pryor (who is a Godbotherer) and it gets better, its FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE http://www.festivalvictoria.com.au/


blessings.

Given the intransigence of the godbotherers and misogynists who are over-represented in many of the discussions on this site, I suspect that many of us only read their posts for 'entertainment value'. Personally, I'm quite astonished at the attitudes expressed by some of the more prolific contributors - I really haven't encountered such antediluvian twaddle ever, except for some unfortunate encounters with evangelistic missionaries in developing countries. Why is it that Christians just don't seem to be able to understand that their belief system is on exactly the same level as that of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc - i.e. beliefs in supernatural beings who provide rules and models for behaviour for us mere mortals. Useful and valuable for many, to be sure, but ultimately any religion is a construct of the human imagination.

Sorry godbotherers, but it is supremely arrogant for you to insist upon the primacy of your beliefs over those of everybody else - as you do when you insist that a human embryo is a person and therefore that women's rights to abortion on demand be curtailed. I can't think of any society on Earth where that status is awarded to a bunch of cells - including our own.

As for the handful of very sad men who blame feminism for their unfortunate experiences, may I suggest that the reasons for your failed relationships might lie in your attitudes to the mothers of your children. You may not think you are misogynists, but that is indeed a large part of your problem: your obsessional writings here reveal you as men whose models of relationships with women (and indeed children) are patriarchal and outmoded. Sorry fellas, but the 1950s were half a century ago - you're dinosaurs.

Morgan

Sorry BOAZ_David I'm washing my hair and I’ve long since only read your post for curiosity sake and humor. As for seeker I'm a happily married man but I sure it would not be hard to find some swingers clubs for you. Perhaps you could attend BOAZ_David big night out I'm sure there will be some swingers and singles there.
The people I would like to hear from on this site is some left wing Christians to counter act the current crop of GB's. Your silence means all Christians get lumped in with the barrel of monkeys we’ve got now