Eric Having two logons so you can post more just means you post twice as much crap. Your opposed to wind farms for no other reason then your opposed to them. Power has to come from somewhere if you don't want a wind farm near you what type of power gen will you tolerate near you. Don't say it isn't a valid question because it goes to the heart of most opposition to wind farms.

Snowman,

What is the name of your discussion group and how can i look in every now and then.

t.u.s

What do Dr. Diesendorf (allegedly a Senior Lecturer in Environmental Studies at the University of New South Wales), Mr.Lloyd Besson the current President of Auswea ,Greenpeace Australia and the Minister for Energy in the State of Victoria have in common.?

They have all sought,singularly or collectively ,to justify the dumping of massive wind turbine industrial installations by large multinational companies on the unfortunate inhabitants of South Gippsland in the State of Victoria, Australia

For his part Dr. Diesendorf has conducted a campaign via the local press in South Gippsland suggesting that "people in rural areas" do not understand wind energy. Meaning what? That he does? That we are all mugs and simpletons?

Dr. Diesendorf has now fled from the harsh realities and scrutiny of the local press in South Gippsland to the relative security of cyber space.

From his new platform he has now suggested that those who oppose the dumping of massive wind turbines on their doorstep "may have ulterior motives and should be scrutinised for possible funding from industries that stand to gain from attacks on wind power."

Perhaps Dr. Diesendorf can explain to your readers if he has used the resources of the University of New South Wales (provided by student fees and the Australian taxpayer) to fund his unfounded attacks on individuals in South Gippsland who are simply standing up for their rights. And is the Vice Chancellor of UNSW also in agreement with this self imposed task of ferreting out so called anti - wind sympathisers.?

What a shabby, pathetic, grubby mess we have here posing as environmental sophistry.

(On a different topic on his reference to Denmark and it's wind turbine industry Dr. Diesendorf failed to mention that Denmark is one of the worst offenders in the EC in meeting it's obligations under the Kyoto Protocols on greenhouse gas abatement.)

Finally from Environment management UNSW
"Three actions were deferred: due to the need to secure stakeholder agreement
joining the "GreenFleet" program for corporate vehicle fleets); or pending senior management approval (installation of photovoltaic and solar hot water infrastructure)."

Kenny, the question is whether previously undeveloped or lightly developed (i.e., agricultural) areas should host 400-foot-high moving erections that require 30-60 acres per rated megawatt and generate only 20-40% of their rated capacity at the whim of the wind rather than in response to demand, so that much of their already disproportionally small production is wasted.

There is no evidence that wind power on the grid moves us anywhere towards replacing coal, let alone towards reducing carbon emissions (most of which do not come from electricity).

I repeat: it's a boondoggle.

There is no doubt that Dr Diesendorf holds the position at UNSW he claims to hold and there is no reason that he shouldn't advance a view. Continued posts claiming that he doesn't and that he is somehow misusing university resources are in my view flaming and I will rule the next one a breach of Forum Rules.

Graham Young

Eric any new power station no matter type will inventible be built on previously undeveloped or lightly developed land.

Notice none of the anti-wind farmers will not actually say which type of power generator they would prefer. So no matter what misinformation or “expert” they mention their argument always boils down to "not in my backyard".
Eric I've looked back at your post and sure enough the only thing you do is tell us how bad wind farms are, no reference able evidence is given to back this view up and no alternative is given either. So Eric make a stand lets pretend that a new power generator is required in your area and it is going to be built 400m away from your house of the current industry rate methods of generating power which one would you prefer. Not answering this question will cement in everyone’s mind that you are simply a knocker.

Eric try posting some decent reference’s better still links to back your claims.