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The traffic in eggs: Media hype over 30-something women : Comments
By Eleanor Hogan, published 8/2/2005Eleanor Hogan argues that women shouldn't be defined by their fertility.
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Posted by Timkins, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:25:00 AM
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There is academic rigour and there is academic opinion. Academics are human also and bring to any debate their own perspectives. There is no rule against this. Academics however have research skills and rigour on their side which they are schooled in during a higher degree. Otherwise how do we know what we know? As for academic bias, well bias is everywhere, in schools, newspapers, esp. online, but at least academics teach people to think for themselves. In fact Universities are set up so as to AVOID bias. It's called academic rigour. Some universities do this better than others. Something Timkins might have picked up had he finished one of his 'many degrees' or if he actually knew anything about 'research'. Trawling the internet, highlighting passages in books and spouting selectively and verbatim might class you as an obsessive compulsive, but it does not mean you know what 'research' is.
I'll say this again to you Timkins - you are very confused between criticism of women and criticism of feminism and for all your purported knowledge of feminism, you seem unable to distinguish such a critical difference. Posted by Audrey, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:06:45 AM
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Audrey,
I have many qualifications, and I have attended many conferences and been involved in the development of a number of papers. One of those papers was rejected for publication, because one person on a committee of three thought that one small area in the paper was not accurate enough. However that paper was in the area of engineering, where there is a high regard for accuracy. Judging from what the author has said, she seems to get her information about men and fathers from friends and colleagues (IE gossip) Social Science has been heavily gender biased in the past, and this was finally acknowledged by the AIFS last year in the staff paper “Researching Fathers – Back to Basics” http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/papers/smyth5.html If the AIFS knows so little about fathers or men in general, the author of the article knows even less, but this of course does not stop her from writing articles that include derogatory remarks about men (eg “the opportunities to meet Mr Darcy or, more likely, Mr Dubious”) Are men “dubious”? I think many men are now becoming very “dubious” of certain women in society. Posted by Timkins, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 12:40:51 PM
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David - I was talking about the article - not my life - which is one of structure, love, and joy.. full of expectations (not impossible dreams
My belief is to take care of oneself before taking care of the world - I have met plenty of people who go through life looking for crutches - either a partner, a job, a position in society - none of these things really matter - what does matter is being a good friend, partner, father/mother and being responsible for ones own actions. What I am certain of is - the world will go on with or without me - where I matter is in the hearts of the people who know me - and I am lucky - there are plenty of them. Timkins - They can turn out ten times as many articles like this - it does not matter - people do not have to read them. As for the dismissive attitude toward men - It will not effect me - most women are not as "predatory" as the author - believe me - I have met a few from my mature (and not-too-long-ago) dating days - I found it easy to pick the predators and trawlers (snaring) and ones who didnot want to work with mutual respect - so I didn't phone them back. Ultimately, we end up with the relationship we deserve - and on that score - I am one of the most blessed people I know. Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 4:07:12 PM
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I would agree fully Col, that with age one begins to learn. There are an enormous number of articles being produced daily in the media, and with experience one can begin to detect spin or bias in them.
However my main concerns are now for the young and their education, and whether they are being indoctrinated through education systems to form biased perceptions, (particularly regards gender). There is an interesting article in The Australian about this. This issue has been underway in the US for some time, but is now occurring here also. See… “The politically correct elite seeking to control our schools prefer indoctrination to education “ http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12190959%5E7583,00.html There is also an interesting account of just how much academics and researchers are being paid, (normally from the tax-payer). http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12191805%255E12332,00.html Posted by Timkins, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 4:43:45 PM
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Timkins
I reckon it is easy for you to detect bias; it would be anything that doesn’t accord with your view of the world, surely? I wonder when you think that schools began to indoctrinate students rather than educate them? Do you think it was education or indoctrination happening when I was unable to study geometrical drawing and perspective at high school back in the 60’s because girls weren't able to do maths and technical stuff? Posted by Mollydukes, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:28:59 PM
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I agree fully that the article is totally insignificant as literature or journalism.
But similar articles are churned out daily and they often portray men negatively or in a biased way. En masse, these articles do considerable harm to the male gender, because they result in distorted perceptions of men and fathers.
You say that “Women have one individual choice which we men are not "challenged" with - to get impregnated or not.”. However many men also pay child support, and this is being found to be often based on the belief that women have some type of ownership of the child, and men are not proper parents but sperm donors and pay-packets only.
The author has mentioned that men have to be “snared”. That came out of her mind, and it would indicate a highly dismissive attitude regards men.
I wonder where she learnt that attitude.