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With our own 'counterfeit' democracy how can we possibly export it? : Comments

By Tim Anderson, published 14/2/2005

Tim Anderson argues that Australia is not a democracy.

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Yes, So, Some views are dangerous and should be suppressed.
Posted by Kenny, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:38:57 PM
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Kenny
"Actually Grey the one’s calling for that on this site are mainly right winger not lefties."
I am not sure what the 'that' you are referring to is. Can you please explain?

"Also there is not any modern countries were a true communist government has again power. All notional Communist states in the world all totalitarian in nature not communistic"
I'm not sure, but this sounds like the no true scotsman fallacy.
You realise that communism is totalitarian by nature right?
For example webster defines Communism as
"a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production"
Posted by Grey, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:42:48 PM
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Not using labels

Collins: Communism :Doctrine that all means of production etc should be the property of the community. Mmm what a difference a word makes. Communism is just that people living in a commune Which the Collins dictionary defines as “group living together and sharing the property, responsibility etc.
The general def for communism is “A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. “ The government is shared by all the governments of the USSR and China have made no attempt to broadened political power to the populace.
Your getting the theory mixed up with what has been practiced.
Posted by Kenny, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 1:06:28 PM
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Kenny,
If you want to define communism as some ideal form of both government and economy and ethics that is impossible to attain by all means go ahead. The problem is the theory is fatally flawed as it does not properly take into account human nature.
This is why every attempt at a communist country has failed to benefit the 'workers'. This is why their economies go bad. This is why they are all totalitarian.

I notice also that 'political power to the populace' is not in the general definition. So why do you act as if this is a core requirement of communism?

Feel free to speak of something that cannot exist. I'd prefer to deal with reality.
Posted by Grey, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 1:49:58 PM
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Grey gives us his "clear definition" in the following terms, "In terms of government, the left desires a vast majority of public ownership, as opposed to private ownership..."

That must mean that Paul Keating, for example, is from the right, given that he began by selling off the Commonwealth Bank, and ended up buying into a privately owned piggery.

But then the left has always said that he was on the right of the left. The problem for the right is where does the left of the right belong these days?
Posted by grace pettigrew, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 2:00:40 PM
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Grey that is my point democracy in it's ideal form would have everybody having input into every decision. In practice that is not practical (This may be come possible in the near future) is it can also said that there is no true democracy.
Posted by Kenny, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 2:28:38 PM
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