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Global warming is happening right now : Comments

By Des Griffin, published 31/1/2005

Des Griffin argues the evidence pointing to global warming is being ignored for political and economic expediency.

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To solve Climate Catastrophe increses across the globe:
All you need is love .... and Thermodynamics 101 .... and political independence.

As for anyone entertaining thoughts of greenhouse gas warming from human sources?

All they need is ... well I'm too polite to say:

1. The Biosphere is a quasi closed thermodynamic system. It is regularly pumped from an equilibrium or stasis by geothermal events and climate catastophe events.

2. Greenhouse gas warming scenarios are the expression of a GLOBAL thermodynamic equilibrium or stasis. Given the energy inputs in point 1, far greater than any waste heat or pollution mankind can supply, greenhouse warming from anthropogenic means cannot happen.

3. Where we do want localised or regional thermodynamic equilibrium, is at coastal cities and towns. It's relatively easy to arrange for this to happen by cleaning up coastal ocean buffers and riverine systems.

4. World governments are NOT prepared to tolerate the consequences of accepting that greenhouse gas warming CANNOT occur. Why?? Because it will mean they must put an end to ocean dumping of industrial, agricultural, sewage and urban waste waters and solids.
Cleaning and maintaining pristine coastal ocean buffers and riverine catchments is how we can prevent large global energy currents from violent and negative interaction with our cities and towns.
World governments are relying on media hype and amateur opinions to stage a bogus greenhouse warming scare to facilitate the staus quo approach of oceanic waste disposal at great personal cost to us all. They cannot do this forever.

Increasing coastal ocean cleanliness will lower the incidence if climate catastrophes.

Installing thousands of 1-2 acre strategically placed engineered wetlands (EWs) is the preferred method of holding back and treating wastes before release to rivers and oceans. This has MANY other advantages to our lifestyles than creating thermodynamic equilibrium on our coasts and preventing climate catastrophes. These EWs will lower the entropy of our living areas on a REGION by REGION basis and that means our energy levels and health will be raised to new standards. This applies to politicians, industrialists, developers and farmers as well. Their negative stance on cleaning oceans is not in their interests either if they thought the situation through.

To all the amateur climate commentators: Don't be a patsy for big business and the politically ambitious. Outside of making money these people aren't that bright when it comes to the cost/benefit analyses of thermodynamic science.
Posted by KAEP, Friday, 11 February 2005 1:37:20 AM
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Thanks for the laugh KAEP, that was fun.
Posted by grace pettigrew, Friday, 11 February 2005 12:25:43 PM
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Gracie,

Wait n see.
It's also very true.

And it's catching on across Nth America as we speak.

To halt increasing climate catastrphes, all that's required is a clean up of coastal oceans and a prohibition on ANY waste dumping to sea. This strategy also gives us other benefits like saving poisoned species like coral reefs.

You think that's possible? I think we should demand it!
Posted by KAEP, Friday, 11 February 2005 1:01:03 PM
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KAEP, I am with you entirely on stopping the destruction of wetlands and the pollution and laying waste of the oceans and reefs, not to mention increasing ocean acidity...
Posted by grace pettigrew, Friday, 11 February 2005 1:21:12 PM
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Let me throw this into the mix:

One of the major puzzles in the study of late 20th century climate trends has been that satellite measurements appeared to show significantly less warming in the troposphere (the atmospheric layer between the surface and about 10 to 15 km) than at the Earth's surface, although climate models predict that rates of warming of the troposphere and at the surface should be roughly equal. Much attention has been focused on this conundrum since the last comprehensive report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC in 2001).

Only recently has this puzzle been largely resolved. Recent work by Fu et al. (2004a) reveals a systematic oversight in previous analytic procedures -- an oversight that did not account for the inclusion of cooler stratospheric (atmospheric layer above the troposphere to about 50 km) temperatures in data from a satellite sensor targeted for the troposphere. Reinterpretation of the satellite data after correction for this sensor feature shows that during the period 1979-2001, global mean tropospheric temperatures rose at a rate close to that of the surface temperatures, in good agreement with predictions of climate models.

This recent work is important not only because it helps solve a scientific puzzle but also because it undermines one of the major arguments of climate skeptics, who have used the apparent discrepancy between surface and tropospheric temperature trends to cast doubt on human-induced climate change. The skeptics have variously argued that (i) this discrepancy shows that global temperatures have not really warmed, and/or (ii) that this discrepancy shows that the climate models are untrustworthy, and/or (iii) that this discrepancy shows that the physics of climate are not sufficiently well understood to relate recent surface warming to anthropogenic heat-trapping gases.
Posted by rainbird, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 3:51:51 PM
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