pathetic loser DB...

PATHETIC

2. contemptibly inadequate: so inadequate as to be laughable or contemptible ( informal )

Puzzle. I don’t quite see where you arrived at that conclusion. You gave us the ‘religious people are morons’ speech, and all I did was demonstrate the philosophical flaws in your position by way of creative (albeit clumsy) reference to recent philosophical thought such as by Jean Paul Sartre and other existentialist thinkers; and its outworking in society.

You came in like a Bull in a China shop with your statements which were at least insulting if not outright villifying. So, I took you to task on that basis. I have not resorted to personal abuse or ad hominems, and perhaps instead of responding to a reasoned response to your position with ‘abuse’, you might like to try defending it. Or, pointing out the flaws in my own position. I don’t mind, your welcome to do so, it wont be the first time, nor the last.

Oh, if I may, you almost got the quote right “wake up fools, there is no God”.. actually its

“The fool says in his heart, ‘there is no God’” Psalm 14 verse 1.

LOSER

This might, at various levels of my life be true. I don’t always get what I’d like :) But then, its not about ‘me’ here, its about truth and reason. So, I have to advise you to be more selective about the labels you choose for debating opponents.

Anyway, I’ll reflect on your description of me, and I’m sure I’ll find areas of flaw and inadequacy that require a serious dose of divine grace. Thanx

In a pastoral vein, most people who have such vitriol for God or ‘religion’ have themselves had some disillusioning experience, ur welcome to chat with me about it if it would help.
jdrmot@tpg.com.au

ON TOPIC
If we remain in the business of 'power' (us/them) for powers sake,constructive politics will surely die.

Bd, national socialist, good try. Brutal suppression of free speech and worship, give us all a break for once. I have searched through my post and can't find anything that brutally suppresses free speech or worship. But I suppose that you were referring to the freedom to impose religious rantings upon people when you and your ilk feel like it.

Removing religion from the public arena gives everyone a go and as worship is supposed to be a private thing, why shouldn't it be restricted to the home and churches. As I said before, the religious dismiss anything that takes aways their right to annoy and that goes for all god head religion, Jew, muslims and christians.

This is why politics is so evil at this point, and why nothing will be done about it. People are locked into their illusions and refuse to see outside them, until that time we will continue this ever increasing spiral downwards

We even have the current ruling political parties around Australia blatantly and constantly in breach of the countries constitution, yet nothing is done about it. So with the religious politicians in control and the religious zealots fuming against each other, there is little hope, for they are all they same, nothing but lying deceitful windbags.

BD, “most people who have such vitriol for God or ‘religion’ have themselves had some disillusioning experience, “. You just have to look at history and the present world situation to answer your own question. The example you religious have given to the world over the last few thousand years could not be more disillusioning, it is only the weak willed, irresponsible and easily led self righteous that follow the fallacies you represent. Your god must be hanging his head in shame at what his followers are doing to the planet you say he created. But then again, its not you, its someone else, or isn't it.

Boaz, obviously you love regurgitating stuff you have read as it gives you some semblance of intelligence; most people in this country can read right? You just seem to be able to remember much of what you have read; well done, that is a great skill. However, you are obviously a very troubled unit, as you seem to place comments on every article on this forum, which is fine, that is what this forum is all about, but have something to say, you always seem to be void of any original thought…you just dribble duck sprat! Grant it, some comments you make are quite witty, but I am sure that you did not write them, it is obvious you cannot think for yourself. I however did not quote from some dictionary, philosophy manual or some fictional story (bible): I do not need some book to tell me what and how I know my world…your world dude is…well, your world is pie in the sky. Moreover, if you do not want to be insulted, I suggest you refrain from starting the pattern (PUZZLE WILL BE DEAD (2006 signed GOD :)…so, you speak for your god do you? Stop trying to help others and seek some help for yourself ‘matey’!
Seeing as though you like quotes so much…here is one you should take on board: it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle…Now, place your head back where you will find comfort, either the sand or your…you know where. Better still, go outside and get some exercise, enjoy the sun, get of your damn computer man, stop eating cheesy puffs you self-righteous freak and LIVE

PUZZLE.... regurgitating what I've read ? err... don't most of us do that ?
It's not about trying to look intelligent, its about basic 2+2=4 reasoning. If you say "No God" then you immediately remove all but a relativistic approach to moral values. It boils down to 'person A's verses person B's'.... One race's values verses another, one families view verses another... It's essentially saying that there is nothing inherantly 'evil' or wrong about Hitlers 'final solution'..etc.

Speak for God ? u misunderstood.. I was just making a point.

TOPIC. (option 2)

"Fundamentalist religion, based on an unquestionable authority (such as a book) says there is one legitimate way of living, and all else is evil to be fought against and destroyed."

yes.. a good description of Islam, a very bad description of what Christ taught, lived, and died for. The Biblical concept is about a relationship with God which produces a desire to do right.

It is more one of 'yeast in a loaf' people who have turned from a self centred life, turned from corruption(Zacchaeus,The Centurion)and humbly sought forgiveness, and will permeate society, and transform it as occurred during the 300 yrs from Christ to Constantine.

Then, we see 'human politics' in action, using and manipulating religion because it is 'politically advantageous' and we also see the beginnings of all that history records as a blight on Christiandom.

The Christians calling is to be Salt (to preserve) and Light (to illuminate) it is not to be the top dog on the political pile, though in a democracy this is conceivable.

So, there is a forth option, a society which is based on 'any' political system, where people, renewed in Christ 'do for others, as they would have done for them'...when this value permeates, like yeast, the loaf swells and takes on its intended true form.

The Israelites were NEVER meant to have a political king. (who mostly ruled despotically in his own interests) God was meant to be king in their hearts and all segments of society were to experience justice. (within given moral boundaries)