Slavery is an emotive word invoking images of near-naked black people, chained neck to neck in a line, usually escorted by evil looking ‘Arabs’.

Modern ‘slavery’, according to Artificial Intelligence, involves around 50 million people. But they are not put to work in sugar plantations anymore.

AI defines modern ‘slavery’ as:

. Forced labour (no clues as to where that happens)
. Human trafficking
. Debt bondage
. Forced marriage
. Servitude
. Child labour

So, before the useless United Nations pontificates on ‘slavery’ it needs to define what modern ‘slavery’ is.

It seems to me that each of the AI examples are covered in civilised countries by laws that have nothing to do with slavery; in uncivilised countries, there is no hope for anyone; and the use of that word just turns people off as a relic from the past. A relic just like the UN itself.

It is estimated America owes African Americans $16 trillion in compensation to close the wealth gap created by slavery, up to $300 trillion for the action of slavery itself. Aboriginal Australia is owed a modest $1 trillion in compensation for slavery, murder and deprivation. If one includes land disposition the figure is more like $20 trillion!

Its just another money grab with people trying to get their noses deeper into the trough.

How much compensation do the African tribes who captured their neighbours and sold them to westerners and (in bigger numbers) to the Arabs, owe?

How much compensation do the North Africans who captured the Europeans in raids over several centuries, owe to the Irish, the Icelanders and the south English? (More Europeans were enslaved by the North Africans than Negros sent to North America).

How much compensation do the Turks owe to the Slavic people who were sold in markets in Istanbul over the centuries? (where does the word slave come from?).

How much compensation do the Arabs owe to the Africans who were taken for a millennia in numbers that dwarf the American trade and where vast numbers of male slaves died as a result of the practice of castrating them all?

How much compensation do the Maoris owe to the people of the Chatham Islands for the slavery (as well as genocide) they perpetrated on them ?

Slavery existed in a much more barbaric way among Africans and in particular Muslims well before the British Empire. Also, American Indian tribes were extremely barbaric towards each other. Such a sick society when victimhood is rewarded.

Hi Money Grabber Trumpster,

We don't agree 99% of the time as you are wrong 99% of the time. This however we can agree on;

"Its just another money grab with people trying to get their noses deeper into the trough."

The greed of the European enslaving the black man was a money grab, in today value, trillions pf dollars. The white fella had his nose deep in the trough by exploiting the African. Glad we agree on something

I guess it's sheer boredom that makes us respond to the non-stop provocations of Binoy Kampmark. After all, none of us has ever experienced slavery. It doesn't, and never has, occurred in Australia - although our stupidly slack immigration policy might very well be introducing people who do approve of the practice. Indeed, there has been one case of an accusation against one non-Western immigrant family employing a maid without paying her, and imprisoning her. I suppose that's a form of slavery. But information on the affair fizzled out - probably because it would throw light on our broken immigration system - and nothing further was heard of it.

Whatever. Stirrers like Kampmark and a handful of anonymous posters are not going to make any difference to the emotional subject of slavery.

We have more than enough things wrong in our own country that we can solve with intelligent voting, rather than writing pointless twaddle that nobody of importance will read.

And yes. It is possible that some of the obnoxious practices from overseas, and from previous times, could creep into Australia because of our out-of-control immigration, and multiculturalism (gradually becoming multicivilisation in badly divided Australia).

Permanent and long term immigration was 494,540 in the 12 months to January 2026: the highest on record. Albanese's ‘reduction’ in immigration was just one more of many lies.

You cannot have multiculturalism and a cohesive society. Homogeneity is best. Same sorts of people ensure against the chance of some people being treated differently from others - something that is already occurring in Australia.

Attaboy Paul. When you can't respond to the substantive points, play the fool instead. Standard operating procedure for Paul.

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Its interesting that others are also ignoring the world wide nature of the past slavery problem. The UN and its compromised agencies are also knee deep in the trough. They likewise are ignoring the fact that slavery was perpetrated by African tribes, by Muhammadian Berbers, by Middle-Eastern Muslims, by Turkish Muslims, by Chinese Han, by Maori tribes. They also ignore the fact that 90% of the trans-Atlantic slaves went to South America and less than 5% went to places that became the USA. They just want to talk about slavery in the US.

Why? Well as Willie Sutton once said when asked why he robs banks... "because that's where the money is".

Hi ttbn,

"It (slavery) doesn't, and never has, occurred in Australia" That's right there never were people clasped in irons, and put on ships and transported to Australia to "slave" as free labour to the ruling class. Australians never kidnapped 60,000 South Sea Islanders and made them into forced indentured labour on Queensland sugar plantations. Nor did we force Aboriginal people to work as station hands and domestic servants for nothing more than a ration of food. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, NEVER BEEN ANY SLAVERY IN AUSTRALIA.

Hi Trumpster,

You conveniently forget that in the first half of the 19th century, some of the richest people in the world, the richest as a entire group in fact, were the plantation owners of the Southern United States. ALL BUILT ON THE LABOUR OF BLACK SLAVES! The northern industrialists and traders also did very well out of slavery.

"You conveniently forget that in the first half of the 19th century, some of the richest people in the world, the richest as a entire group in fact, were the plantation owners of the Southern United States. "

That's simply untrue. You need to do a bit more research than watching "Gone with the Wind". They weren't even the richest people in the US.

But I didn't forget it...indeed I actually mentioned it. What I didn't forget and what you're trying very hard to ignore was that the slavery in the US southern states was just one of many many slave societies over the centuries and even at that time of the early 19th century slavery was prevalent in North Africa, Central Africa, Turkey, the Middle-east, China, South America and (as you are trying hard not to notice), among the Maoris. And compared to most of those, the numbers of slaves in the US southern states was small.

Yet this is the only one that the carpet-baggers and the UN (but I repeat myself) want to talk about.

Hi Trumpster,

What you say is, slavery was widespread, I agree, it even mentions the duty of a slave in the Bible, and its was not condemned in either the old or new testaments. BUT that doesn't excuse slavery as a practice today, or in the past. I could say murder is widespread in the world, in some countries honour killings are permitted, you even supported the Zionists murdering 70,000 Palestinians, therefore murder should not be a criminal offence in Australia.

Trumpster take this on board, so much for you to learn;

"Southern plantation owners, particularly the elite planter class, were extremely wealthy, commanding vast fortunes primarily through ENSLAVED LABOUR and LAND OWNERSHIP. By 1860, the richest 1% of Southerners held median wealth over three times higher than their Northern counterparts, with the lower Mississippi Valley holding the highest concentration of millionaires in the U.S."

"In 1860, the market value of ENSLAVED PEOPLE exceeded the total value of all U.S. railroads and factories."

Note, post Civil War, a system of 'Penal Servitude'(Convict Leasing) was introduced in the South, a form of state-sponsored slavery, you will claim it was not slavery by another name. 'Penal Servitude' ended in the last state, Alabama in 1928, but the last person was released in 1942. So we can say slavery ended in America in 1942.

Attaboy Paul.

Pretend that all the slavery over the millennia throughout the world isn't worth talking about except for the relatively small slave society in the Southern US states.

20-25 million African slaves sent to the Middle-east between the 8th and 20th century. Nup, Paul doesn't know about nor want to know about it.

3-4 million European slaves sold in North Africa and the Middle-east. Nup, Paul doesn't know about nor want to know about it.

11 million African slaves sent to South America. Nup, Paul doesn't know about nor want to know about it.

Half-million slaves sent to North America. OMG, its a disaster for the planet. Compensation must be paid by people who never owned slaves to people who never were slaves. Its all Paul can talk about and all he wants to know about.

I'm particularly impressed by Paul's persistence in ignoring the slavery perpetrated by the Maori, even though they themselves boasted about it.

Hi Trumpster,

What's your point? Trying to justify one wrong by pointing to other wrongs. Just as you claimed it was okay for the Zionists to murder 70,000 innocent Palestinians, because the Palestinians had murdered 1,200 innocent Jews. One wrong doesn't justify another wrong. I suppose that concept is too hard for most knuckle draggers to understand.

You didn't defend the Old Fart and his claim there was never "slavery" in Australia.

"What's your point? Trying to justify one wrong by pointing to other wrongs."

I made my point from the outset. Obviously it passed you by. The point is that, if you are going to demand reparations for one incidence of slavery, consistency demands that you demand it for all incidents. So if they want reparations for the North American slavery they should also be demanding it from the South Americans, the Libyans, the Turks, the Saudis, various tribes in Africa, the Chinese and the Maori.

But they aren't seeking reparations from any of them. Just the US. And when I say they, I mean the carpetbaggers in the US and in the UN. And that proves that its not about reparations or righting wrongs but is just about another, yet another, money grab.

"Just as you claimed it was okay for the Zionists to murder 70,000 innocent Palestinians, because the Palestinians had murdered 1,200 innocent Jews."

Well I never said any of that. Just another one of your fabrications. I never said it was murder. I proved to you that it wasn't 70000. And the deaths in the war weren't retribution for the October 7 massacre.

"You didn't defend the Old Fart and his claim there was never "slavery" in Australia."

I've said on these pages for over a decade that there was always slavery in Australia, primarily being the slavery forced on aboriginal women by the male tribal elders and the slavery enforced on women and children captured in war among the tribes.

Hi Trumpster,

"there was always slavery in Australia, primarily being the slavery forced on aboriginal women by the male tribal elders and the slavery enforced on women and children captured in war among the tribes." I have no evidence for tribal slavery, but it is possible. Your evidence for tribal slavery is?

I mentioned three other forms of Australian "slavery" post 1788, all well documented, convicts, Islanders and Aboriginals. Since your fellow Trumpite ttbn claimed no slavery in Australia, and since he wouldn't have a clue, maybe you could respond on his behalf. Tell him he's all piss and wind, or agree with the Old Fart, and prove me wrong.

"Your evidence for tribal slavery is?"

Now I think you're just taking the piss. This, by my count, is the 6th time you've asked me for evidence of aboriginal slavery. And each time I give it, you just drop the subject and forget all the evidence. If you want the evidence go back and find the previous occasions I've listed it.

As to calling convicts slaves...that's a bit of a stretch and if they were slaves then all the inmates of Australia's various goals are also slaves

Hi Trumpster,

I agreed it was possible, that tribal slavery existed in Australia. Yes the Maori of Aotearoa had both captured and traded slaves. I don't see what the relevance is of tribal slavery, the topic refers to African slavers. As for your evidence, it was only what you claimed as being "fact", no actual facts.

"As for your evidence, it was only what you claimed as being "fact", no actual facts."

I gave you quotes from and links to actual academic work on the slave status of women in aboriginal society, including examples supplied by people such as Lyndall Ryan who were completely pro-aboriginal but couldn't deny the obvious. I also gave you examples of aboriginal women being sold to whalers and Chinese traders who visited Arnhem.

As to the Maori, when they conquered the Chatham islands and massacred some of the inhabitants and enslaved the remainder (including taking the women as sexual slaves) not only did they defend the action but claimed that it was allowable because enslaving defeated people was a long standing part of Maori culture. Should they be paying compensation to the decedents?

Kudos again mhaze. But I like Gone With The Wind. Tomorrow is another day.

Frankly, Canem, I don't give a damn

Hi Trumpster,

The Maori invasion of the Chatham Islands took place in 1835, about 300 Moriori were killed, and a large number put into bondage (slavery). Surprisingly as the Chatham Islands are about 800km east of Aotearoa, the invaders were from the Taranaki district, not from the south. My wife's history tells her that her iwi (tribe) Ngapuhi often raided the tribes in the Waikato particularly the Tainui iwi, taking prisoners including women, as well as lots of plunder!

BTW, My wife's brother-in-law is a decedent of Tommy Solomon, the last full blooded living Moriori person, he passed away in 1933. They took a trip to the Islands a few years back.

But I still don't know what the relevance of tribal slavery has in a discussion about African slavers. Please inform.

OK. I'll explain it again.

There was slavery all over the world in almost every era of world history as far back as we can see. Yet the grifters and the UN (but I repeat myself) only want to talk about one aspect of that slavery (African) and one period (17-19th century).

And not only that, they only want to talk about the African slavery that headed west while ignoring the much greater volumes of slaves that headed east into the Arab nations where most died in the transit or died under servitude.

And not only that, but they only want to talk about the African slavery that headed to North America, ignoring the vastly greater numbers that headed to South America, where most died under servitude.

And not only that, but they only want to talk about the African slavery that ended up in what became the USA ignoring the numbers that went into what became Canada and Mexico.

So out of the 60-80 million slaves that were 'shipped' out of Africa, they only want to talk about the 400-500 thousand that went to the area that became the USA. They only want to talk about 0.7% of the total.

And why? Because its only in the USA that they stand the slightest chance of getting a payout.

And that's why I said, at the very beginning, that its just another money grab from the usual grifters and the UN (but I repeat myself).

Good come back Rhett Butler I mean mhaze. And the South doesn't have any canon factories but a lot of proud men.

And thanks for repeating the information about slavery, as you've said previously there were slaves from Europe too.

Hi Kudos Kid,

I agree much of the wealth of the world today was built on slavery. Who can forget that your beloved "Third Reich" exploited a huge amount of slave labour as Nazi corporations. Fabulously wealthy businesses of today were built on cruel exploitation, such multi-nationals as; BMW, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, Siemens, Bayer, BASF, Allianz, Deutsche Bank and Hugo Boss.

"I agree much of the wealth of the world today was built on slavery."

I don't know who you're agreeing with since (1) I didn't say that and (2) it isn't true.

As to the Nazi concentration camps, funny that you'd mention them but neglect to mention the Soviet gulags. Actually not funny.... we'll never see Paul criticise the Soviets.

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Canem,

"as you've said previously there were slaves from Europe too."

Recent research shows that there were more European slaves taken to North Africa/Near East than African slaves taken to North America.

Hi Trumpster,

I wasn't addressing you, I wouldn't ask you to agree with anything I say, it could be catching. It was your sidekick the Kudos Kid, you know him, your were probably members of the Volkssturm together. Did youu have a cake for Adolf yesterday?

"we'll never see Paul criticise the Soviets." The Soviets were a bunch of bastards. Oh NO! Paul has criticised the Soviets!

We'll never see The Trumpster criticise Trump. Even after he throws The Trumpster under a bus!

Mhaze said- "Recent research shows that there were more European slaves taken to North Africa/Near East than African slaves taken to North America."

Answer- Yes mhaze, I've heard that it was something like an order of magnitude higher, but let me know if I'm off. It makes sense though because early on Europe would have been less populated, and so less powerful, than the ME and Africa. At least Europe used it's power to improve the world. In the early 1900's we built the first tractors to mechanize farming that rendered slavery unnecessary and obselete. A similar innovation happened with containerization in the 1980's putting more than half the dock workers out of work in ten years. If the dock workers had been putting their wages into transport companies at that time they may have weathered the shock better.

Volkssturm- means "'people's assault' or peoples army" it seems, could be wrong. Doesn't Fascism and the US say that an armed people can't be enslaved.

What does Paul1405 and notable Marxist groups in opposition to the "popular German people" support universal slavery- I'm shocked and speechless- I'll recover.

I'm not saying that Paul1405 is a Marxist. I'm just saying that they seem to believe the same things.