Indyvidual said- "Good will extended to people with no good will is the downfall of so-called Democracy.
Indoctrinating stupid people with feel good rhetoric is fuelling the flames of hate coming from the bleaters of victimise.
Dysfunctional Nations need to be left to sort out their own issues & those stupid interfering do gooders should be posted there instead causing their own society to fragment purely because of their idiotic ideologies ! "

Answer- Yes this is our Afghanistan (remember the first Afghan War With The Russian's). We waste resources on an unachievable task and destroy ourselves. Yes Indyvidual is correct about negotiating with those that don't negotiate in good faith being a fools errand.

Rather than trying to find an alternative model for Israel/ Palestine we should be looking for a superior alternative to middle eastern oil, then the world doesn't need the middle east, and maybe a solution can be found. Rather than solve the problem, transcend the problem.

Hi Fester,

"You (Paul1405) responded by saying that with all the reporting on it (Ukraine) there was no point in you saying anything" I never said that, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are mistaken, or show me where I did say that. No war is justified, not Russia's war with Ukraine or any other "legalised" murder, not Palestinians murdering Israelis or Americans murdering Venezuelans.

I(Fester) get the impression that you (Paul 1405) hate Israelis and Americans much more than you like human beings."

No Fester, I don't hate anyone I'll leave that to you and others who believe the actions of America, and its flunkies is always justified. Killing innocent people, you don't care, as long as its not yours, and it serves Americas interests, is justified in your book.

Trumpster,

You can't be serious, "With the return of democracy to the Venezuelan people". The words of a Useful Idiot no less. Trump has no intention of installing so called "democracy" in Venezuela, not bloody likely when there's no democracy in America, so why would Trump want democracy in Venezuela. What this illegal invasion is all about, is greedy America stealing the Venezuelan oil. Did YOU come down in the last shower? Me thinks so!

If you have something the worlds biggest bully wants, and you wont hand it over, then he beats you up until he gets it.

Democracy's becoming a dirty word in my opinion.
It gives nations the weakest leaders you could ever find.

The Venezuelan President Carlos Andrez Perez was a paid CIA asset.
He was succeeded by Hugo Chavez in a coup.

There's a number of factors here.
Number 1 is the Petrodollar.
Venezuela has 303 billion barrels of oil reserves
Venezuela was actively selling that oil in Chinese yuan. Not dollars.
In 2018, Venezuela announced it would "free itself from the dollar."
They started accepting yuan, euros, rubles, anything BUT dollars for oil.
They were petitioning to join BRICS.
They were building direct payment channels with China that bypass SWIFT entirely.
And they were sitting on enough oil to fund de-dollarization for decades.
Number 2 is Zionist interests.
Chavez and Madro were fiercely Anti-Israel.
Chavez even stated that Mossad were trying to kill him.
Number 3 is Venezuelan allies Russia, China and Iran.
China buys a lot of Venezuelan oil in yuan.
This blocks that and prevents Venezuela becoming a BRICS nation.
venezuela also got weapons from Iran.
Number 4 is Monroe Doctrine.
The West has failed to contain or win with Russia.
Trump Administration needed a win.

They are not going to be able to beat China.
South Korea and Japan are meant to fight as a block, and somewhere we're in there as cannon fodder.
Seoul has already been having meetings and sending delegations to China and are backing away.

They failed to overthrow Russia carve it up and loot the country they needed a new plan, because they're in serious debt.
So the gloves came off and America's now officially a rogue state.
The rules based order is just a fantasy, there are no rules.

Should Xi just do same to Taiwan tomorrow,
Maybe Putin can do the same to Zelensky.
The worlds becoming pretty dangerous, a big war's coming.

Venezuela has the potential to become another Vietnam
Even if they pacify 65% of the nation, there may still be 35% that won't go along, become revolutionaries.
But it's early days yet.

No U.S. regime change ever turned out well.

Totally agree AC, you're spot once again. Unfortunately our silly sausage, Trumpster, and no doubt his other little mates in the sand pit, have once more been sucked in by American propaganda, with "the return of democracy to the Venezuelan people" how naive can one get, if it wasn't so serious it would be laughable!