There is no doubt that what Josh F writes is not without merit.
He does leave out one very important relevant fact.
That is that what Netanyahu and the state of Israel is doing in their continued revengeful slaughtering of thousands of innocent Palestinians contributes to this horrible occasion.

Just being balanced.

Just being balanced.
ateday,
That comment tells me that no amount of evidence will ever make you et al comprehend what's really going on.
In your opinion, should the surviving gunman be pardoned so he commit more atrocities & encourage more others to do the same ?
What do you think they mean when they say they want & aspire to control the whole World ?
Do you think being nice to them they'll somehow leave you alone ?
What do you think they mean by making the whole World a Caliphate ? Do you realise that Democracy means exactly that ? Why do you think they use Democracy as their most effective tool & tactic ? Think !!

Indyvidual

#…Think…# you advise the poster…

The ABC brainwashed are intellectually lazy, and incapable of intelligent and free thought: Too much like hard work.
That poor dood, is unimaginably so far off the beam, there is no hope for informed change!

ateday

The Australian Jews murdered on Sunday are not responsible for Israel's actions. Am I justified in shooting my Russian-born neighbour's children because I disapprove of Putin's war on Ukraine? Or the Muslim owner of my local store in retaliation for the Hamas atrocities 2½ years ago?

The war in Gaza “contributes to this horrible occasion” only because antisemites and terrorists use it to rationalise their bigotry and violence.

Am I the only one or do others also notice the absolute quiet about all this from the Unions ?
Are they so pleased or so dumb-founded in their support of Labor ?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1330395764987963
Is that what Australians are ready to accept !

I want to give Josh Frydenberg some leeway here. He's grieving, and not just as a public figure but as a Jewish Australian whose community is clearly traumatised. That lived experience matters and gives his voice a certain moral weight.

But moral weight isn't the same as moral infallibility.

When a political leader responds to a national tragedy by only blaming their political opponents - let alone unfairly or prematurely - while completely ignoring some of the most significant known sources of antisemitism just because they're "closer to home", I think it's fair to ask whether that response is truly about justice, or more about politics.

The fact that Frydenberg had nothing to say about neo-Nazis, white supremacists, or far-right extremists - all of whom have played a big role in the rise of antisemitism here and abroad - is glaring enough to test the willingness to suspend judgment of even the most patient and understanding among us.

Who Frydenberg chooses to blame is telling, but who he doesn't blame might be even more so.

It's entirely possible that his pain is clouding his judgment. But when someone speaks from a position of power and authority, their omissions matter just as much as their mentions.

Brainfart contradiction #1
"You are the Prime Minister of Australia, and the history of the Holocaust is that bad things happen when good people stay silent."

"Fourth, stop the protests. For 2½ years, we have put up with daily protests which have become incubators of hate."

- So you want them to stay silent during a genocide finding by the ICC?
Didn't you just say bad things happen when good people stay silent?

"So how, with some 1000 ­people here for a Hanukkah celebration, during a heightened threat environment, did we have just three police ill-equipped to provide the first and fundamental duty of both the state and the federal government, to protect the safety of their citizens?"
- Because all the other cops were tied up going after people for Anti-Semitic social media posts?

"Well, let me tell you, guns may have stolen the lives of 15 innocent civilians but it was radical Islamist ideology that pulled the trigger."

I thought someone said the perpetrator went to the Palestinian march.
- Maybe he was upset that radical Jewish ideology had stolen the lives of over 70 thousand innocent civilians.
Imagine how upset you are over 15 people, and pretend the Palestinian supporters are 5000 times more upset and frustrated as you and had to watch a slaughter of their people far greater than the one you're complaining about go on for 2 and a half years?

Brainfart contradiction #2
You speak about "teaching Australian values of tolerance, respect."
Its you that seems to tolerate Israels crimes against humanity just fine, acting like this was an completely unrelated incident.
Somehow 15 people as tragic as it is, is completely intolerable to you, but I'd bet you never uttered a single word to suggest Israels actions were intolerable.
Will we be teaching our kids that some lives are worth more than others in this education reform as well?

And don't talk about democratic values when those you support hold Palestinians without charge and without due process.

Values, what values?
Supporting genocide, ethnic cleansing and land theft?
No thanks, keep your values.

Had the protesters after the October 7 massacre been Neo Nazis, would they have been allowed to march illegally? Would they have had the police stand by while they made genocidal chants? Would the only arrest made be that of an objecting bystander with an Israeli flag? Would there be unmolested protests spewing similar hatred across the nation for years afterwards?

Far right extremism has always been recognised and acted upon by the Albanese government. The same cannot be said for the radicalism behind the murder of innocent people at Bondi.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/691959790540866
And, what are we to make of this ?
Explanations please if anyone has one.

Sounds like people don't really care ?

Indy,

"Sounds like people don't really care ?"

Knowing the real history conflicts with the accusations of genocide against Israel. Don't worry, the Jew haters will be back in force when the memory of Bondi fades a bit.

Key Details of the Funding

Mechanism: Beginning in 2018, with the approval of the Israeli security cabinet led by Netanyahu, Qatar began sending millions of dollars in cash to Gaza monthly. Qatari officials, often escorted by Israeli intelligence officers, carried suitcases filled with cash (initially around $15 million, later up to $30 million per month) through the Rafah crossing.
Total Amounts: The total amount transferred over the years amounted to hundreds of millions of dollars. One source indicates a flow of approximately $35 million monthly for multiple years.
Stated Purpose: Netanyahu's stated justification was to prevent a humanitarian crisis in Gaza by funding critical infrastructure like water and sewage systems, supporting the payment of civil servants, and providing aid to families in need.
Strategic Motivation: The policy was also part of a deliberate long-term strategy to bolster Hamas as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. By keeping the Palestinian leadership divided, Netanyahu aimed to thwart the establishment of a unified Palestinian state.
Criticism and Warnings: The policy faced significant criticism from some Israeli officials, including former spy chiefs and security advisors, who warned that the Qatari funds were being diverted to strengthen Hamas's military wing and build its capabilities, including the extensive tunnel network.
Aftermath: After the October 7, 2023, attacks, the funding policy came under intense scrutiny, with many Israelis and critics globally blaming it for enabling Hamas to grow into the formidable force that launched the assault. Netanyahu has denied that he intentionally strengthened Hamas, maintaining the money was for humanitarian purposes and that his government sought to degrade the group's military capabilities.

Netanyahu built up Hamas himself.

A bit more history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-OKn_i5TRI

I read the article, and what a lengthy one it was.
I wrote this comment without reading other posts.
I didn't want to seem to be simply rehashing what others were saying.
As usual, I will read other comment afterwards.

There are always at least two sides when there is disagreement.
I think that far too often the blame can be allocated to one side only, when it should be shared.
So called innocent persons are often guilty of provoking or encouraging animosity or aggression.
Or putting themselves in danger, by making foolish decisions.
I am not saying this is such a case, but it is something which needs to be considered.
I am sure that Albo, with the rest of government, takes many things in to account when making decisions.
I am sure they try for a balanced view.
I am also sure that whatever precautions governments take, these can be circumvented by those who are determined.
So we cannot prevent such attacks entirely, whatever we do.
Education seems to be the best way forward.
Make it clear to all citizens, from an early age, that it is not ok to harm another person.
This must apply, except for the rare occasions where physical action is both lawful and necessary.
Such as when defending a life.
I don't think this being is done, but it should be.

I am sure that Albo, with the rest of government, takes many things in to account when making decisions.
Ipso Fatso,
Do you actually believe what you write ? The only thing this administration takes into account is to follow their indoctrination to the point. Having conviction is admirable however, conviction when it's misguided is extremely detrimental as we witness daily !
Also, conviction is severely compromised when threats are made.

I had a few more thoughts.
What is happening in Gaza is worse than world war two?
The killing of many to eliminate a few is bizarre.
And if someone attacks you, you should ask yourself WHY.
Ask yourself: 'what have I done to earn such treatment?'
And take an adult considered view of the circumstances.
Perhaps be religious for a change, and turn the other cheek?

I don't take sides.
I merely express any disapproval in words: peacefully.
I think that is both fair and legitimate.
Others express their disapproval by harsh action or harsh words.
That is something with which I do not agree.
Random killing will not solve anything.
It is my wish that the killing, the slaughter, the grotesqueness of it all, will stop.

If Albo does need to do something, it is to take a firm stand on Israel.
He needs to condemn Israel strongly and unequivocally.
No pussyfooting around, No beating around the bush.
Just say it out loud and say it very clearly.
A balanced view is all very well, but sometimes a more forthright statement is needed.

And just one more comment.
Yes. I am sure Albo and his government take a balanced view.
I cannot imagine that they start the day by discussing how to make mayhem.
Each day will involve assessing priorities, and working out the most favorable approach.
I am sure Mr Frydenberg would acknowledge that government does just that.

....
And Mr Frydenberg may not agree with the present government's approach.
But I am sure our government's view is arrived at with care.
I might not agree with it either, but I accept it.
I kind of live two lives, like most of us.
I have a private view of life, and a public view.
In public, I agree with the rule of law, and follow it.
In private, I might disagree strongly with some of its tenets.
That makes life interesting.

"In public, I agree with the rule of law, and follow it.
In private, I might disagree strongly with some of its tenets."

Feeling free to state your views is a measure of democracy. Those people who booed and jeered Albo last night at least felt democratically empowered to exercise that freedom.

"But I am sure our government's view is arrived at with care."

Yes, and Josh Frydenberg's view is formed in part by all the armed guards he sees at facilities attended by Australian citizens of Jewish faith.

Albo is reaping the tragic consequences of not acting strongly against antisemitism after October 7.

The coalition and right winged politicians have long used racism and social division as a political strategy. Children overboard was a doozy.

Josh is using this most terrible event to restart his political career drawing on racism and social division.

If Josh and the right wing element insist on blaming Albo for the Bondi shooting, then surely they must blame Bibi for the Hamas attack in October 2 years ago.

If re entering politics, I would very much like to know who Josh serves, Australia or Israel.

the right wing element insist on blaming Albo for the Bondi shooting, then surely they must blame Bibi for the Hamas attack in October 2 years ago.
Aka,
Silly comparison. Bibi did not bring in those extremists, Albo did !

Indy, Netanyahu must surely be to blame for the October 7 2023 attack by Hamas in Israel. He must bear much greater responsibility for that attack because apparently Netanyahu had almost a years warning and he didn't act. 12000 died in that single attack.

Albo didn't have any warning of the Bondi attack.

The blaming of Albo is unreasonable, and a hell of a lot political.

Aka,
I think you're off your trolley if you believe that ! Go back 800 or so years & start from there !

Treat other persons as you yourself would prefer to be treated.
That is a good principle.
And in case you are wondering...
Being in disagreement with a friend is quite ok.
Sometimes a friend needs to be told he is being stupid.
That should not diminish the friendship.
Proper friendships are strong enough to withstand such criticism.
We can't all be right, all the time, can we?

We can't all be right, all the time, can we?
Ipso Fatso,
Hmmmwell, just because someone doesn't agree is no proof of being wrong !
When a Leftist makes a statement it is almost 99% actually wrong in the scheme of things & a conservative criticising is invariably declared a redneck despite invariably having a stronger common sense point.
To be wrong means to be proven wrong not just expressing an inconvenient truth !

We can't all be right, all the time, can we?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1091078192960247

I suppose the usual subjects are still celebrating & too busy to comment ?

Indyvidual,

I don't think they're celebrating so much as they are too busy squeezing what political points they can out of 15 dead people while they can.

Speaking of them, though, I watched the clip and I all see is a conservative defending his fellow conservatives by bagging the other side.

Not a word of it is in the slightest bit accurate, however, so you can ignore him.

Cheers.

Not a word of it is in the slightest bit accurate, however, so you can ignore him.
John Daysh,
I wouldn't expect you to say anything else !