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Charlie Kirk and Socrates : Comments

By Bert Olivier, published 16/10/2025

From Socrates to Charlie Kirk, those who dare to speak truth to power risk martyrdom — and reveal the enduring struggle between reason and tyranny.

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Please find a list of some noted Western moral philosophers all of whom wrote and talked about the nature of Truth, Reality, Virtue, Ethics and The Beautiful too.
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Whitehead, Popper, Pirsig, Alasdair Macintyre, Elizabeth Anscombe, Martha Nussbaum, Iris Murdoch.

In my opinion all of them would be totally appalled by the appearance of Donald Trump who is a culturally and religiously illiterate nihilistic barbarian, a pathological liar and a life-long professional grifter con-man.

Who by his lived example actively negates the entire Western moral and ethical philosophical tradition. And of course The Beautiful too. Even every time that he opens his potty-mouth in public.

Part of Charlie Kirk's mission was to encourage young men (in particular) to vote for and actively support this nihilistic barbarian
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 17 October 2025 9:58:00 AM
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diver dan,

I'll take that as a compliment. Just for the record, I think you're a random word generator, and I think I found which one. Here's a sample of it:

“World’s upside down. Blokes in wigs teaching feelings while women can’t even woman anymore. Kids don’t know what toilet, and that’s freedom now apparently, but you say truth and boom, cancelled. Poofters and faggots."

From now on, I'll be refering to you as "Random word generator dan."
Posted by John Daysh, Friday, 17 October 2025 12:45:11 PM
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"I have well developed instincts that differentiate between fact and fiction: I also am an avid reader of the Bible."

Is God fact or fiction?

Seems like a bit of a hard question, right?
Maybe I'll give you an easier one, 'What is a woman?'

I remember how you accused me of being Alan B for about 2 years.
No matter what I said, you were convinced.

So you admit you believe in supernatural beings, but want us to believe you have very good instincts to differentiate between fact and fiction.

Okay.

So, speaking truth to power
Why is Trump blowing up boats in the gulf of Mexico?
Why is he talking about regime change?

What happened to the America the world looked up to.
What happened to the rule of law?
No Judge, no jury, no day in court?

I think America took a page from Israels book.
Rules based order what a joke.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 17 October 2025 1:40:05 PM
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Speaking of nihilistic barbarians, when I saw the killings by Hamas to a cheering mob, I thought how tolerant and kind Nazis were in comparison. To think that cult leader Albo thought them worthy of statehood. That lot had better lose their hatred and their guns quickly.
Posted by Fester, Friday, 17 October 2025 1:46:57 PM
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Hi Fester,
I'm not sure the NAZI's offered a full 5 star package like the Israeli's.
I mean did the NAZI's offer free (forced) sex to the Jewish hostages
Or is this just an added bonus that only the Palestinians are entitled too.

Here take a look, the Israeli care so much about their Palestinian friends sexual entitlements, they're willing to stand up for defend their rights

http://x.com/SuppressedNws1/status/1977846729656467775
'Never forget that Israelis were having a “right to rape protest” in Israel to allow soldiers to rape Palestinian hostages.'

How come those on the pro-Israeli side never say
'Oh God no, that's wrong, I don't support that'
- Maybe they want free sexual entitlements too?

How come Team Israel never call out the things Team Israel does, isn't that curious?
Maybe they support everything without question?

Such beautiful people, what would we all do without such kind and caring souls?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 17 October 2025 2:10:11 PM
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John,

That would have to be the most intelligent reply I've had from you. After your idiotic argument for normally operating nuclear power stations causing people harm from radiation, I nearly gave up hope for you.

Think of the Euthyphro dialogue. Was Euthyphro convinced that his beliefs had any shortcomings? Did Socrates gain any insight into the system of justice? I look at that dialogue as a contrast of using argument for persuasion vs the use of argument for understanding.

Peter Ridd is someone who has lived by Socrates' principles to some extent.

"Well, it actually took a few years of a few events. Then when it happened again and again, and it culminated when there was a reef up here near Bowen and the guys were saying there was no coral on this and they were saying it was all killed by farmers. And I thought that was very strange. So I sent my guys who worked for me, “Check out that reef.". We found a fabulous reef, fabulous coral on a reef that was supposed to have no coral.” And I made a point about this, and I got clobbered with a misconduct allegation from the university just for pointing out that the reef had a huge amount of coral when all the institutions were saying that there was no coral. So you start to realise, oh my goodness, we’ve got a real problem with these institutions here, because they’re not actually looking at, we’re not talking about data, we’re talking about a thing the size of a reef, whether or not it’s got coral, it either has or it hasn’t, and it had."

https://ipa.org.au/research/climate-change-and-energy/dr-peter-ridd-on-weekends-with-luke-grant-28-september-2025
Posted by Fester, Friday, 17 October 2025 3:53:50 PM
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