All the Western “members states” should leave this corrupt organisation, removing their money, and President Trump should do what we all know he would like to do: stop all US support, and kick them out of New York - out of that huge building that they spent (or the member states spent) much more on than Donald Trump offered to do it for at the time.

Let them build something in one of the sh.thole countries who have all the say, but who don't put much in the kitty.

The West would be better off without the rotten, corrupt United (some) Nations.

So you're saying you think the headquarters for the UN should be moved to China ttbn?
If so you wouldn't be the first advocating such a move.

Here's a big fat elephant for you.

That Alarming Poll Showing 82% of Israelis Back Gazans' Expulsion? It's Wrong
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-06-04/ty-article-opinion/.premium/do-82-of-israelis-really-back-expulsion-of-gazans-the-data-tells-a-different-story/00000197-39da-da41-a9f7-3dde468d0000

‘Erase Amalek’: Poll reveals mass Israeli support for expulsion, genocide of Palestinians
http://www.trtworld.com/article/8802bc2d5043
'Once relegated to Israel’s extremist fringe, calls for the expulsion of Palestinians and waging genocidal war against them have gained mainstream appeal.'

May 26, 2025
"A new poll published in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reveals that genocidal rhetoric, once confined to Israel’s extremist settler fringe, has now moved into the mainstream, with overwhelming public support for ethnic cleansing, mass killings, and biblical revenge.

Conducted by the Geocartography Knowledge Group for Penn State University in March 2025, the survey of 1,005 Israeli Jews paints a chilling picture of a society increasingly radicalised by religious nationalism and emboldened by war.

The poll found that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support expelling Palestinians from Gaza and 56 percent back the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel — up from 45 percent and 31 percent, respectively, in a similar poll in 2003.

To the question, “Do you support the idea that the IDF [Israeli army], when conquering an enemy city, should act as the Israelites did under Joshua in Jericho — by killing all of its inhabitants?”, almost half of the respondents said yes.

Altogether, 47 percent endorsed replicating the biblical conquest of Jericho, in which all residents of an enemy city — in this case, a reference to Palestinians — were slaughtered.

Every 2 in 3 Israelis (around 66 percent) believe that a modern version of Amalek — a biblical enemy of the Jewish people — exists today, and of those, 93 percent believe the biblical command to annihilate Amalek still applies.

The poll arrives at a time when Israel’s war on Gaza has left 54,000 Palestinians dead, most of them women and children. Israeli leaders have repeatedly invoked “Amalek” to describe Palestinians, and military rabbis have framed the war as a biblical obligation."

Seems pretty clear Israel is a death cult.

As Western Countries Recognize a Palestinian State, Smotrich Holds Back 1.8 Billion Shekels From the Palestinian Authority
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-09-29/ty-article/.premium/for-three-months-smotrich-has-held-back-billions-from-the-palestinian-authority/00000199-9444-dc12-a5df-9d4f6fb80000

"Israel's government began withholding unprecedented funds from the Palestinian Authority in June. The security cabinet seemingly never discussed the move – it was led by far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich alone. Unlike previous U.S. administrations, Trump is cooperating"

1.8 billion shekels = AUD 824 million

You steal their land, their money, you bomb them, hold back food, water and medicine, rape them, murder their kids, loot and blow up their homes, shoot them for sport, imprison people without charge, torture people, blow up their hospitals, kill doctors, paramedics, journalists and their families...

And you wonder why these people become enraged?

Flashback...
"In 2014, when Jewish Israelis kidnapped and immolated Mohammed Abu Khdeir, a Palestinian teenager from East Jerusalem, many Israelis were shocked and ashamed. The next year, Jewish Israelis torched a home in the Palestinian village of Duma, burning a father, mother and baby to death in their sleep; a surviving child was horribly burned. By then, few were surprised."

Israel is a death cult consumed with stealing land to re-establish Greater Israel with the help and complicity of Christian Zionists in the U.S.

Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, UN commission of inquiry says
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

Trump's 20-point Gaza peace plan in full
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70155nked7o

"1. Gaza will be a deradicalised terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours."

Israel has attacked Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Qatar and Yemen.
Who poses a threat to who?
Who is going to deradicalise Israel?

Since when did the victims of a genocide need deradicalisation and not the perpetrators?

When Israel attacks Iran again, they may very well destroy Israel properly next time.

Trump has ordered his Zionist-Nazi lieutenant Bibi Naziyahu to stop the genocide, and mass murder of innocent Palestinian men, women and children, 65,000 murdered thus far!

Google AI Overview
The Talmud passage you're referencing from Ketubot 111a describes three oaths that God imposed on the Jewish people and the nations of the world. The first oath, which relates to your question, states that the Jews are sworn not to go up to the Land of Israel en masse or "as a wall". This means not to return forcefully or in a massive, unified way, but to allow for individual immigration. The other oaths are that the Jews should not rebel against the nations and that the nations should not oppress the Jews excessively.

The Three Oaths in Detail

Jews not to ascend as a wall: This oath prohibits Jews from trying to return to the Land of Israel through force, like a military conquest.
Jews not to rebel against the nations: This oath forbids Jews from staging a rebellion against the non-Jewish nations in whose lands they reside.
Nations not to oppress Israel too much: This oath is a promise from the nations of the world not to overly oppress the Jewish people during their exile.

Interpretations and Relevance to Modern Times

Anti-Zionist View: Some anti-Zionist groups interpret these oaths as a strict prohibition against the formation of the State of Israel and mass Jewish immigration to the land, seeing the re-establishment of Israel as a violation of this oath.

Religious Zionist View: Religious Zionists, however, view the oaths differently. They argue that the modern creation of Israel did not occur by force but through political negotiations and that the Jewish people did not ascend as a unified, forced entity. They believe the oaths are no longer binding or were not intended to prevent a sovereign state's formation.
Historical Context: The oaths are believed to stem from the Song of Songs and were meant to provide a framework for the Jewish people's time in exile after the destruction of the Second Temple.

Hi AC,

Thanks for the links, it's abundantly clear that religious radicalism is an extremely dangerous tool when unleashed, be it Islamic, Christian, Zionist, whatever. When an individual or group believes God is on their side, and he is commanding them to act in a certain way against his "enemies", they believe they can do no wrong. Zionist action in Gaza is a example of what happens when religious fundamentalists get their way, murder any mayhem ensues. 65,000 innocent Palestinians murdered!

Oath 1
Antisemitic to criticise the State of Israel when their own religious texts said to them: 'Don't return to Israel!'
The returned on masse and formed militia.

Oath 2. Do not make war upon the nations.
Didn't Jews gain Britain the assistance of the U.S. in WWI in return for the Balfour declaration? Leads to Hitler and this:
'Judea declares war of Germany' March 24 1933
http://tinyurl.com/yk24rabt
Aren't you lot making war upon all of the nations right now by engaging in atrocities and trying to undermine the UN and international law.
Are they not trying to undermine the nations in which they live in outside of Israel when you stifle free speech?

http://youtu.be/EgcY8eNOdrM?t=506

Opposition to Israels domestic policies is not anti-semitism.
I'm as free to criticise what goes on in Israel as I am any other nation.
Netanyahu is just trying to buy time in relation to his own criminal cases

Oath 3 Nations should not make war against you.
They whinge and complain about 'the rise in anti-Semitism', like there's no direct correlation between the things they do outlined previously, a genocide in modern times in an age of mobile phones cameras and internet, while murdering all the journalists and their families, and using donation blackmail to silence dissent in every other country.
They complain and complain victimhood, when they are the perpetrators of that which the entire world finds sickening and unconscionable.

Israel and the Zionists are the architects of all their own bs, and when your wars of aggression upon your neigbours unleashes upon the well meaning west the level of Islamic immigration Israel itself wishes to free itself from, especially when promoting immigration to other countries (HIAS) while denying Palestinians the right of return.
Bunch of manipulating hypocrites that have exported your nightmare upon everyone else in the name of a religious cause Greater Israel.

30 years of wars

Wesley Clark.
"This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran." Clark regards the 2003 invasion of Iraq as "a huge mistake".

All the nations that provided support to the Palestinians.
- Like unleashing a cancer upon the whole western world, and why?

'Because we just can't seem to get the aboriginals to leave Frazer Island, and we really want the land'.
'If these people who have lived there for hundreds of years won't leave we'll just kill them all, with the cries of 'Amalek!'.'

Thank the Christian Zionists, AIPAC, and a captured US congress and all the other governments scared of being labelled anti-Semitic and their own Israel lobby or businesses facing vilification, and court action or universities facing coercion and donation blackmail.

All to silence any dissent, from state sponsored murder.

The Zionist-Nazi's murdered another 85 innocent Palestinians, including children, yesterday. The Zionist-Nazi leader Bibi Naziyahu continues to order his death squads to kill as many Palestinians as possible. These war criminals must be brought to justice.

http://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1973815653296652795
Russian President Putin says "Gaza has been turned into the largest children's cemetery in the world."