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Voters voted for the real deal, not the cross-dressing political party : Comments

By Graham Young, published 5/5/2025

Each of these leaders won by sharpening the difference between them and their opponents. Peter Dutton and this lot of LNP leaders tried to minimise the difference.

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This election was a day at the Country races where all your money was lost on a Nag: The only winner the bookmakers.

Even Labor supporters are unhappy; what a debacle this place is.

Who is an Australian, the answer recedes further into the setting sun with every new million immigrants. What choice do we have in that vote rigging game?

Now ready ourselves for the Jihadist swamp; here come the Palestinian refugees ( sic), a great asset to society they will be, not: And millions squandered on similar lost causes; propping up the ultra Leftist UN for example.

A lot of very unhappy people out here from across the Political spectrum.
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 5 May 2025 7:39:56 PM
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You right wing nutjobs have no class. Undignified, pathetic, snowflake BAD LOSERS.
Grow up fools this isnt maga country here. Everyone knows the liars party lost fair and square and the crap going around about dumb voters, immigrants all voting Labor, Labor lying, dutton not being enough of a fascist etc etc is just more evidence that you right wingers live in some bizzare, trumpist, sky after dark nightmare of bullcrap and fantasies.
People arent buying the rubbish you are selling. When will you wake up and realise it is not the Australian people who are wrong it is your vile and stupid policies that are lacking and not of interest to the "silent majority". Whining about Labor "blackening duttons name" is rich considering his years long smear of Albanese being "weak". Pot kettle. Live by the sword etc.

Dutton and the rest of the idiots in the nasty party were more than happy to differentiate themselves from Labor with bile and hate and division. They tried to replicate their hateful rhetoric that won them the voice but the Australian people didnt want any part of it. Same with the nukes and the trump doge crap. They hardly copied Labor there did they?

Just accept you are a pack of nasty, insular bigots that decent, REAL, Australians have told to go jump. Again. Cant wait to see the liars party lose even more seats in 3 years time.
Posted by mikk, Monday, 5 May 2025 9:01:54 PM
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No, the Libs organisation has not learnt that if you want to retain the
female vote, sorry Peter, do not have a bald man as leader.
I am surprised that the members were not aware that to women a man
with a bald head is a real turnoff.
Posted by Bezza, Monday, 5 May 2025 10:46:42 PM
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Oh yes re lies, well that would have been settled when the first
tenders came in.
Saudi Arabia's 5.8 Gwatt nuclear station cost $40 billion.
So there !
Posted by Bezza, Monday, 5 May 2025 10:59:44 PM
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Oh dear,
Graham you made a mistake about the Labour electricity grid cost it
was not $7 to $9 billion, it was $7 to $9 TRILLION over 35 years !
Posted by Bezza, Monday, 5 May 2025 11:15:16 PM
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Even Albo's lie about the nukes being $600 billion is an absolute
bargain compared to the latest costings of Bowen's Nightmare.
The latest costing is $7 to $9 TRILLION over 35 years !
That seems a much more realistic amount when you consider the cost
and size of the batteries and switchgear needed to run a country.
Posted by Bezza, Monday, 5 May 2025 11:23:06 PM
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Dear Graham,

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No need to search for complicated explanations. The reality is simple.

Aussie voters rejected with horror the perspective of Dutton proposing to introduce Trump-style politics into Australia.

Heaven forbid !

Better to stick with the devil they knew than Trump.

.
Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 6 May 2025 1:07:52 AM
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You're right Bezza. I will correct that as it is a substantial error. Thanks.
Posted by Graham_Young, Tuesday, 6 May 2025 7:40:36 AM
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"You're right Bezza. I (Graham Young) will correct that as it is a substantial error"

Graham, make sure you run that correction past the bosses down at BIG COAL, after all its BIG COAL that pays the bills for the so called Australian Institute for Progress.

"A Liberal-aligned thinktank running last-minute anti-Greens advertisements targeting young voters received more than $600,000 from the coal industry during last year’s Queensland election, disclosures show."

"On Monday evening, the Australian Institute for Progress released a “Can you afford the Greens?” video advertisement pushing claims, based on its own commissioned research, that the Greens’ housing policies would lead to increased rents."

"Emails to supporters from the AIP executive director, former Queensland Liberal vice-president Graham Young, seeking donations to push anti-Greens advertisements show the campaign is specifically aimed at helping elect Liberal National party candidates Trevor Evans and Maggie Forrest in the seats of Brisbane and Ryan."
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 6 May 2025 3:10:07 PM
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The exchange between Bezza and Graham illustrates perfectly a point I made on another thread about echo chambers.

To clarify:

Graham’s original figure of $7-9 billion was actually plausible if referring to the annual investment required for Australia’s current domestic energy transition - including renewables, transmission, and grid upgrades under existing government policy. That figure aligns with previous modelling from sources like RepuTex and the Clean Energy Council.

The $7-9 trillion figure comes from the Net Zero Australia modelling report - but that figure refers to total capital investment across the entire economy out to 2060. It includes not just domestic energy, but decarbonising exports, scaling up hydrogen, and building out Australia as a clean energy export superpower. It’s an aspirational scenario, not a price tag attached to Labor’s policy platform.

So while the original $7-9 billion figure lacked context, it wasn’t necessarily inaccurate. Now the "correction" makes the article even more inaccurate, with a vastly larger number drawn from a much broader and more speculative model cited as if it were a direct cost comparison.

It’s a reminder that fact-checking shouldn’t stop at reader suggestions - especially when the correction ends up less accurate than the original.

But since we're taking corrections. Here are a few more that are required:

- Australia did not have the worst economic performance in the G20. GDP and employment figures place us solidly mid-pack or better.

- We still hold a AAA credit rating. No major agency has signalled that’s at risk.

- The recent immigration surge reflects a post-pandemic rebound - a trajectory locked in under the Coalition, not newly created by Labor.

- Wholesale electricity prices have fallen significantly due to renewables - grid stress is more about outdated infrastructure than solar panels.

- The $600 billion nuclear estimate came from CSIRO/AEMO modelling - not a “dodgy” report. The Coalition offered no alternative modelling of its own.

Frustration is fair game. Fabrication is not.
Posted by John Daysh, Tuesday, 6 May 2025 7:52:45 PM
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Hi John,

When you are being paid $600,000 by BIG COAL, as is the case with the so called INSTITUTE OF PROGRESS, you will say whatever suits the interests of that magnificent benefactor. $600,000 buys a fist full of lies, as is the case with this sites attacks on progressive policies, and those that support them.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 5:39:58 AM
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Indeed, Paul.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread. I started to, but didn't get very far because it felt like a waste of time.

I mean, the list of corrections I provided cannot possibly be news to someone as politically engaged as Graham.

But when you've got a large audience who expect a comforting tale, and would revolt with accusations of going "soft" or being a traitor, if that's not what you gave them, then providing providing alternate facts becomes a kind of obligation.

Yes, then there's Big Coal. The thought of being financially tethered to them terrifies me. If I woke up one day to find myself in the same position, I'd put whatever spin you wanted on any topic you chose.

But the exchange between Bezza and Graham handed me an opportunity I simply couldn't resist: a live example of something I'd just spoken about only days ago.
Posted by John Daysh, Wednesday, 7 May 2025 10:04:29 AM
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Gawd, it gets worse.
It is about time that EVERYONE in the political field came down to
earth and stop going on about the cost of nuclear power stations.
That argument will be solved and no argument will be possible.
It will simply be a matter of reading the tenders.
They will be similar to what other countries pay except for some local
peculiarities such as labour costs, cost of shipping, cost of local
materials etc etc.
Specialised training etc etc.
It is about time that you all grew up !
Posted by Bezza, Sunday, 11 May 2025 10:36:06 PM
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A Little late.

Its been reported that Aussie Nuk was unceremoniously killed in a catastrophic electoral landslide felt across Australia on May 3rd 2025. There was a large number of casualties, among the many who did not survive was, Mr Dud Dutton of Dickson who at the time was constructing his own peroneal Chernobyl in his backyard from smoke and mirrors, hoping to spend $600 billion on his little pet project. On Tuesday there will be a gathering of the surviving friends of Aussie Nuk in a phone box in Canberra, to forget both Aussie Nuk and Mr Dud Dutton. All are welcome to attend Aussie Nuk's wake, except sheilas and chicks, this is a guys only thing, young grubs keep away, along with darkies, towel heads, wops, students, Canberrans, public servants, anyone who voted Labor, gays, union thugs, the child care mob, medicare bludgers, all those who hated Dud Dutton, those workers lazing around at home, anyone saluting abo flags etc, Chinese, if you're not one of the fore mentioned list, feel free to come along and pay your respects to the departed Aussies Nuk, and our dear friend Dud Dutton. There will be plenty of room in the phone box for all the RIGHT people. In a special bit of entertainment, Squizzy Taylor will be taking on Squeaky Ley in a no holds bared fight to the finish over 15 round, inside the phone box of course!

Remember, its only the Liberal party that promises to take 25 cents of the price of plutonium for your home reactor!
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 12 May 2025 6:40:19 AM
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Of course it is illegal to call for tenders for a nuclear power station.
Guess who brought that in.
Remove that and the government could call for a tender for one station.
The Korans could almost just copy one of other job's tender after a
site visit and be close especially if they thought they might get six other ones.
Posted by Bezza, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 11:58:39 PM
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