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NetZero policymakers remain oblivious that electricity came after oil! : Comments

By Ronald Stein, published 24/4/2025

All the parts and components to generate electricity are made from oil derivatives manufactured from oil.

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John,

France got to 150% in fifteen years with nuclear. Germany will be lucky to get to 25% in fifteen years with wind and solar. Lie and spin all you like, but you won't change the facts, nor will your lies change Germany's troubled economy.

Newsflash. Spain and Portugal's power grid just collapsed. Was that due to renewable energy? Maybe due to some clapped out fifteen year old wind turbines?
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 29 April 2025 6:22:14 AM
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Fester,

You’re just repeating the same talking points, hoping repetition will substitute for argument.

France’s nuclear rollout fifty years ago, under a centralized, post-crisis command economy, has no meaningful equivalence to modern decentralized grids balancing multiple generation sources. That’s not "spin" - it’s basic historical and economic reality.

Nobody denies nuclear built fast then under those conditions. But if it were still as cheap, fast, and easy today, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You’re romanticizing a model that doesn’t even exist anymore.

As for Germany, despite every obstacle you wave around (nuclear phaseout, Russian gas dependence, sabotage, COVID, war-driven energy crises), wind and solar are now generating over half of Germany's electricity on many days and around 38% annually - and growing. That’s a success story under difficult conditions, not a failure.

And now you’re trying to pivot to Spain and Portugal without even checking basic facts. Their temporary blackout wasn't because of "clapped-out wind turbines" - it was caused by a telecommunications system failure that took down control systems, not generation. Nothing to do with generation sources, renewable or otherwise. (Next time, spend two minutes checking before yelling "renewables bad!!")

You keep pretending that every logistical challenge, every policy mistake, every unrelated incident is a death blow to renewables. It's not. It's just reality: big transitions are complex. You’re not exposing some scandal; you’re exposing your own unwillingness to deal with change.

The world is moving on - with or without your permission.
Posted by John Daysh, Tuesday, 29 April 2025 8:04:56 AM
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