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A pilot plant for Net Zero : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 30/7/2024

People who bought an electric car for quiet mobility will suddenly find they were just financing a cog in Bowen’s Blackout Insurance Plan.

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I think the biggest flaw in V2G is the rainy week. After say 50% of the charge has been sucked out the cars may not have any more to give. The internet connected bidirectional charger may cost thousands plus you'd need at least $5 per kWh to justify extra use of the battery. A nearby relative has nice BYD and is now looking at another $20k for a smart solar system to complement it. Not sure it will ever pay for itself.

It's noble of Canberrans to feel good about using so much clean energy from far away. I understand the revolving restaurant on Black Mountain Tower no longer revolves and therefore should be replaced by a graceful wind turbine. I wonder if while driving from the ACT to Queanbeyan at night you can feel the street lighting getting a bit grubby. That's because ACT power is untainted by coal unlike the neighbours.
Posted by Taswegian, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 7:49:17 AM
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Big big boost for Ford EVs: loss per vehicle has dropped to $50,000! Tesla profits are down 45%. Mercedes, 21%, and Ford 35%. And half of EV owners would go back to petrol like a shot. One report says that the EV industry is on the brink of collapse.

Like all fantasies these days, taxpayers are helping this one limp along, even though most of them don't have an electric car, and have no intention of getting one, despite Blackout Bowen's wild speculation.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 9:10:23 AM
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Solar 103 GwH wind 51GwH hydro 68 Gwh gas 72 GwH 33.3 % of the grid as of 10.30 am Aest 30 july 24.

And this is mid winter. Reenables. With what is not yet wired up and what is still coming, That % figure is destined to rise dramatically.
Nuclear will not be necessary along with coal, Diesel, or any other form of generation that is not clean.
A lot of people think that nuclear does not produce any co2 which is not the case. For every KwH of power produced 35 Grams of co2 goes into the atmosphere. So get it right.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 10:56:47 AM
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So what is the point of all that solar, stacks of it a few hours
each side of midday. err provided it is not overcast.
Never heard of a wind drought ?
Batteries need to be enormous but where do you get the electricity
to recharge them in a few hours ?
For each days amount of recharge you need dedicated solar & wind about
eight times a days consumption. Also you need to hope that tomorrow
is not overcast and windless.
The more you look at it the more hopeless it becomes.
Posted by Bezza, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 1:36:19 PM
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And today AirNZ says it is withdrawing its commitment to meet its former carbon emissions target by 2030! Says it is unsustainable.
Apparently not enough ‘hot air’ to keep it going. And presumably the conservative NZ government will not make a fuss about this change.
Posted by Lytton, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 1:54:28 PM
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i think it's time the subject of renewables is put aside until they come up with Zero emission renewable technology !
It's simply nothing more than for some non-thinkers to keep stirring trouble !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 2:06:11 PM
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The United States produces 2,200 tons of nuclear waste each year…and no one knows what to do with it. The federal government has long promised, but never delivered, a safe place for nuclear power plants to store their spent fuel. This means that radioactive waste is piling up all over the country. We visited one of the worst places where the waste is stuck: a beachside power plant uncomfortably close to both San Diego and Los Angeles. And we asked the people in charge of the waste there: what happens now?
AEMO does not sell power, they generate power, to buy power you have to buy on the spot price market. Which varies every 5 minutes. Each state has it’s own market. Which is supply and demand. The more sunshine and wind in the grid the lower the spot price, We are doing very well being the middle of winter. In summer all markets will be in negative figures / KwH. That will not effect your electric bill because you pay what your retailer says so.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 4:13:49 PM
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The minister for everything is the irresponsible ass for doing nothing for 10 years.
'A sickening smokescreen for its commitment to coal and gas...
Dutton’s scheme is: let the climate burn, let the mega fires burn, let the sea levels rise, let the heat become unbearable. Let’s send our children towards climate disaster.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 4:29:32 PM
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"The United States produces 2,200 tons of nuclear waste each year…and no one knows what to do with it."

It is actually a resource as 96% of the fissile material remains in spent fuel. The Germans don't reprocess spent fuel because it was banned after lobbying by the Greens.

There are many proposals for recycling nuclear waste. One proposal would provide 40% of the United States nuclear fuel as well as a number of other valuable products for the next half century. It would process 200,000 tonnes of waste over that time and leave waste requiring containment for a few centuries. Further, the amount of waste would be so small that it could be buried in four bore holes less than 10 metres apart. Advanced reactor designs will be able to utilise nuclear waste as well.

https://www.iaea.org/bulletin/when-nuclear-waste-is-an-asset-not-a-burden

Yep, stay away from nuclear. No point in denying the Patron of the Environment the opportunity to exterminate koalas and vandalise the GDR, desecrating its beauty and covering it with toxic wind factories. Go cult leader Albo, saviour of Australia!
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 30 July 2024 8:47:56 PM
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That’s right!

Spent nuclear fuel can be recycled to make new fuel and byproducts.

More than 90% of its potential energy still remains in the fuel, even after five years of operation in a reactor.

The United States does not currently recycle spent nuclear fuel but foreign countries, such as France, do.

There are also some advanced reactor designs in development  that could consume or run on spent nuclear fuel in the future.
The US does not recycle it's nuclear fuel as it is cost prohibitive and cheaper to use new fuelling.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 31 July 2024 1:06:14 PM
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Keith Alder, then boss at Lucas heights stated that the waste problem
can be solved and make big money at the same time.
Build two special nuclear power stations and feed the first one with
the waste and when the waste is depleted as for as that reactor is
concerned feed that waste into the second one and repeat the depletion.
Other countries would pay us a fortune to take their waste and we get
free electricity from the two plants and the much depleted waste we
store underground in Australia and get big payments from other countries.
Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 3 August 2024 10:46:59 AM
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I see Albo at the aboriginal gathering says his plans for renewables
across the country will make the lives of aborigines and the rest
all the same because of the renewables industry in the country.
He is right, it will we will all be living like aborigines do now.
The longer Labour/Greens are in power the further off a real solution
for the energy requirements of a modern economy can be attained.
I just cannot see how we can avoid many years of blackouts that will
cripple industry.
The large plants that were blown up are not there to be subsidised !
Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 3 August 2024 10:57:38 AM
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1A south AU.
South Australia has recorded the biggest price drops for wholesale electricity and gas in the nation, a new report by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.
The falls indicate that the global gas price shocks are easing, and that renewable energy is driving down costs in South Australia.
The latest AEMO quarterly report published today shows the average wholesale electricity price for the first quarter of this year was $55 per megawatt hour in South Australia. That was $17 - or 24 per cent – lower than the average for Q1 in 2023.
Posted by doog, Sunday, 4 August 2024 9:10:12 AM
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So why are South Australian's retail electricity prices 50% higher than the rest of Australia if electricity is so cheap?
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 4 August 2024 9:51:10 AM
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Retailers buy it cheap and sell it at their price. Next year this will change as retailers will be omitted from the system. And then everybody will buy electricity power from the same company or state owned co; and be apart of either AEMO or govt; Like the old times. When we had state electricity commission: Power retailers have not worked in the interest of the community at all.
Posted by doog, Sunday, 4 August 2024 10:43:05 AM
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Has their profit margin changed? Wouldn't price gouging be unlawful for something like electricity? I guess that I have been hearing about electricity prices falling for so long with the wind and solar rollout that not even "Albo says prices will fall next year." can alleviate my skepticism.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 4 August 2024 7:14:18 PM
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Well with Dutton ,sky news, Australian news. It puts fear into investors that should never happen from a mob not in power. It sets another precedent for future elections. IF Dutton gets hold of solar the same thing will happen as happened to NBN. Dutton and Abbott are two of a kind. The weapon is in the hands of voters being informed by renegade influencers out side of govt:, who misinformed citizens and young persons.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 6:55:41 PM
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