Paul,

I trust the Coalition politicians about as far as I could throw them, but Albo has form for lying to us. Compare what he was saying before the election on immigration compared with what he did right afterwards.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/05/open-borders-albo-is-addicted-to-immigration/

We need to smash the duopoly and break the nexus between our politicians and corporate money.

Andras,

I suggest that you go and tell some of the people living in tents or in their cars that their greatest problem is John Tanton, an American who was born in 1934. I really don't care if John Tanton was a dyed-in-the-wool racist or just an old man who shared prejudices common in his generation. You have to keep harking back to him because you can't point to any racist words or deeds of the people opposing excessively high population growth now. Personally, I don't care if the migrants are black, brown, white, or green with purple polka dots. There are too many of them for the good of the existing population and of Australia's environment.

Nor can they solve issues to do with aging. Migrants grow old, too, just like everyone else. You apparently just want to create an even bigger problem in 40 or 50 years. Every country is just going to have to get used to a stable age structure. According to Jane O'Sullivan, the infrastructure and other costs of blowing out the population will actually be greater than the cost of coping with more elderly. Stop talking your book.

Divergence, why don't you access credible research vs. RW media anecdotes supporting its own white nativism and xenophobia?

Nor is it helpful to misrepresent data (like climate science deniers do) i.e. most of these 'immigrants' are temporary residents under the NOM and will not grow old in Oz, that's why they are 'net financial contributors'.

Possibly Australia's best demographer, with a global reputation not just Murdoch and RW media as another has, Hon. Prof. Peter McDonald, has good expert analysis in The Conversation:

'Peter Dutton wants to cut migration for the sake of housing. Here’s why that’s not a good idea...

...It is not well understood that almost all this net movement (90%) related to temporary residents, not permanent residents. This is important because temporary residents differ in many ways from permanent residents....

....They are not eligible for most government services including Medicare, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, the National Disability Insurance Scheme, state education, domestic tertiary fees and many more. Temporary residents do not buy houses.

While temporary residents are in the housing rental market, most are mainly in dedicated student or backpacker housing, or live with a higher number of people per dwelling than the permanent population.'

https://theconversation.com/peter-dutton-wants-to-cut-migration-for-the-sake-of-housing-heres-why-thats-not-a-good-idea-230298

Most temporary migrants do go home from some visa categories, but once the rest have spent a few years in Australia, they tend to put down roots and change from visa to visa to stay on by hook or by crook. See the graphs in

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-25/migration-heating-up-but-what-will-come-of-it/103889464

No one is going to make someone who has spent years in Australia leave after he is old and sick. As the saying goes, "There is nothing so permanent as a temporary migrant."

It varies from place to place, but I have read that about 20% of international students are in dedicated student accommodation. The rest are mostly competing with the locals in the private rental market. The universities are squawking because the government is demanding that they build more student accommodation if they want more international students.

http://www.law.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/imce/files/UNSW0006-No-Place-Like-Home_Executive-Summary.pdf

Which Peter McDonald?

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/05/flip-flopper-peter-mcdonald-spins-more-immigration-lies/

Macrobusiness tends to convict people out of their own mouths. It is interesting that no one has tried to sue them. Nor are they especially right wing or interested in race, religion, or ethnicity, although some of the commenters are. They were savage about the last Coalition government. It is just that the Right is now prepared to give them a hearing, unlike the Left.

Divergence: I take it that you have shares in MB :)

Like MB you denigrate Australian demographer McDonald who has a global reputation, matched by whom locally?

Like MB you offer no clear or direct analysis, just opinion masquerading as correlations; permanent migration is capped at 190k p.a., temps outside of this depart after contributing to Australia.

Andras.

No financial interest in MB or membership in any of their funds. MB was presenting government statistics and quoting Peter McDonald's own words. How is that defaming him? Try reading Bob Birrell or Katherine Betts, not just the demographers who will tell you what you want to hear.

See the graphs from the ABC that I linked to above about all the temporary migrants who change from visa to visa and do not leave. Believe it or not, the population cannot go on growing forever. We nearly ran out of water in the last drought and had very severe water restrictions. There are a lot more people in Australia now, and all of them need water. If we want to stabilize the population so we have some environment and quality of life left, we need around 70,000 net migration, as advocated by the Sustainable Australia Party, perhaps 90,000 in all to account for the citizens and permanent residents who leave, not 190,000.

Bob 'Australia's best demographer' Birrell and Katherine 'Camp of the Saints' Betts who have both contributed to the journal of dec. white nationalist John 'passive eugenics' Tanton?

He was anti-semitic, anti-Catholic, Islamophobic etc., admired white Oz policy, visited and was hosted by Sustainable Population Australia; the muse of Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage and FoxNews editorial (via chum Peter Brimelow of infamous VDare fame).

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/if-you-are-business-fox-news-you-are-hook-its-white-nationalism

Tanton's informed TSCP The Social Contract Press, uses the same -ve climate science denial and faux analysis techniques applied to 'the other' via demography for right wing media headlines & talking points, was described by SPLC as:

'routinely publishes race-baiting articles penned by white nationalists. The press is a program of U.S. Inc, the foundation created by John Tanton, the racist founder and principal ideologue of the modern nativist movement. TSCP puts an academic veneer of legitimacy over what are essentially racist arguments about the inferiority of today's immigrants.'

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/social-contract-press