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The return of the hungry horses : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 11/4/2024

Our farm supported our family of four, 30 dairy cows, one bull, eight draught horses, two stock horses, a cattle dog, two cats, two ponies, plus a few pigs, calves and chooks and, at times, a returned service Uncle recovering from malaria.

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Researchers suggest that biofuels such as ethanol and biodiesel could at best replace a third of petroleum based fuel. That's for cars, trucks, planes, trains and agricultural machinery. When oil is gone say by 2040 it means we'll be immobile and starving unless there are alternatives. Milking a cow on an 800 sqm block in Melbourne is probably not practical.

For several years I ran a ute on home made biodiesel until the injectors snotted up. That process consumed methanol another alcohol like ethanol but made from natural gas. Bio-ethanol is a minor helper and is delaying the search for a total oil replacement. Techno fantasists think we can run combine harvesters on solar batteries not liquid fuel. Let's content ourselves with that idea.
Posted by Taswegian, Thursday, 11 April 2024 9:20:18 AM
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In those intervening years global population has gone from about 2.5 billion consumers to over 8 billion consumers.
Therein lies the problem.
Posted by ateday, Thursday, 11 April 2024 9:43:53 AM
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Thanks Viv Forbes: An enjoyable article with flavours of Albert Facey’s “A Fortunate Life”.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 11 April 2024 9:57:26 AM
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Yup, been there, done that.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 11 April 2024 10:10:58 AM
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Tas, Biodiesel can be sourced from diesel trees, some green blue algae, native wisteria and sunflower seed/oil seeds/peanuts etc.

Most need some refining to remove soluble wax content that, as you say, clogs the injectors.

Blue green algae are probably the best and easiest to grow as a commercial operation that consumes less than 2% of the water of traditional irrigated agriculture.

Moreover, the next enduring long-term drought, (and we will have many in the foreseeable future) may be the only viable agriculture option on many farms!

Refining may be limited to simple chill filtering though sand filters that remove any soluble wax.

Oil is also a product of algae that was laid down thousands of years ago. No need to wait or rely on price gouging oil barons.

Furthermore, it's also a carbon neutral option as are all the other above options.

New processes (yeast variety) may make sugar cane an excellent source of petrol replacing fuel/ethanol? That could be combined with some of or all the above, to make endlessly sustainable jet fuel/power kerosene?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 11 April 2024 10:40:45 AM
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Alan B I don't think biofuel problems are as easily solved as you suggest. That covers quantity, quality and price. For example aircraft biofuel has to stay liquid not gelatinous in subzero conditions. Some say forget the bio- part and move to e-fuels made from electricity, air and water combining green hydrogen with scrubbed CO2. Sounds great except for the price. Will motorists pay $10 per litre for e-petrol? The delusion of green growth and high population could be the biggest mistake humans will ever make.
Posted by Taswegian, Thursday, 11 April 2024 11:39:05 AM
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Blue green algae refined to produce biodiesel has a price tag of around 44 cents a litre. And one can remove any and all water content through, again simple, fractional distillation. To get 200% proof.

A process that boils off the hydrocarbons and leaves the water behind. Some oil wells also have a waterflow content with the oil, which must also be removed.

Well aware of what can happen in flight, if there's water in the fuel. That said, I look forward to electric planes that could fly nonstop Sydney to London.

Driven by solid state star drive motors, where all the energy is applied solely to thrust rather than spinning things, flywheels, props etc. That wastes as much as 85% of the available energy.

New catalyst technology may make water the fuel. Need to harness some of the exhaust heat created, to keep it liquid at altitude.

I prefer to debate folk who see solutions not solvable (know all the reasons it can't be done) problems.

Hydrogen may be another possible alternative if they can get the price down. Methane which is mostly hydrogen is easy to make and cheap. Can be made into liquid methanol via a catalyst.

All the above will have the oil barons spinning for all they're worth to prevent them coming on the market, as viable alternatives.

Have a nice day.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 11 April 2024 4:16:41 PM
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The delusion of green growth and high population could be the biggest mistake humans will ever make.
Taswegian,
Only the educated i.e. Uni-indoctrinated ones. Normal people are fully aware of what's going on but don't get to make decisions on the policies that favour parasitism !
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 13 April 2024 6:41:51 AM
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