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Loopy Labor’s disconnect from reality : Comments

By John Mikkelsen, published 26/2/2024

'Gone is the emphasis on an open and competitive economy where workers and bosses work out win-win solutions, it’s now open class warfare and wealth redistribution.'

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There always wealrh rw-distribution, it's just many people seem to favor it going up rather then to the people doing the work.

Keynes opined we'd all be working 15hrs a week by 2000 as we'd shared productivity equitably but we didn't and now inequality is worse then it's ever been.

The country is broken, homeless keeps keeps increasing, housing is embarrassingly expensive, greed and stupidty are celebrated and poltioxans reflecting that elected to ensure it continues, climate change is becoming more devastating all because we've decided that competing against each other under a neo liberal winners/losers system is better the the system of a cooperative model. It will keep getting worse and it will break.
Posted by Valley Guy, Monday, 26 February 2024 9:56:39 AM
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They live in a bubble that has no connect with life for the average battler or any fair-minded business operator. All they can and do, is pit the hard-pressed battler against business.

Now if we had energy the aforementioned could afford, there'd be some point to fair, negotiated, win. win outcomes.

Wherever one buys a good or a service, there's an energy component and a tax built in.

A loaf of bread has over forty different taxes built into the retail checkout price.

Starting with the seed merchant, the transport operator, the farmer, the fuel bill for all the aforementioned, and the power to fire the ovens, mill the flour, with all the energy components included. Plus, a cascading GST and fuel excise. Business licence and registration.

And I've missed quite a few. Like the transport operators tax liabilities, taking the flour to the baker and the transport operator's tax liabilities delivering the bread to the supermarket/corner store.

Not to mention the personal tax, GST and fuel excise paid by the workers in the aforementioned food chain. All hard pressed by their current energy bill!

If they had very affordable energy and it's doable, then most of the financial pressure on the average worker and business operator would simply go away.

Moreover, genuine tax reform would lift much of the cascading and passed on pressure. Affordable energy coupled to tax reform, like a bracket creep free, flat tax of 25%, would have the high-tech manufacturers of the world queuing to gain entry.

The financial boon of our current energy products and raw mineral sales should be building a sovereign wealth fund not used to subsidise cost of living pressures, created almost solely by current energy bills. Massively larger than the wages bill.

We could make lithium batteries here and process our rare earths, smelt and weld titanium if we but had affordable energy. Ditto desalination and pumping sanitised effluent into our arid inland.

All off the table because of Loopy Labor's disconnect from reality.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 26 February 2024 10:14:21 AM
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Before the insanity of the current individualism and dog eat dog competition. We had cooperative capitalism and a period of unprecedented post war prosperity. And co-ops stood almost alone, as the only, private enterprise, free market business model the largely survived the Great Depression, mostly intact. Keynes was right, but we threw out the baby with the bathwater, in an economic sense when the conservative ideologs won power with a litany of non-core promises followed by a huge lift in deficit spending.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 26 February 2024 10:37:45 AM
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WTF?

I think it is the author who has gone loopy.

In an effort to support his view on the opposition to “ Right to Disconnect” he adds two personal anecdotes.

Both reflect totally unreasonable demands on him by his employer.

Both are prime examples of why why there is a need to disconnect.

His wondering about how a young journalist (let's show the youngsters how tough we had it) would cope with driving their pregnant wife through a cyclone to report on said cyclone?

I hope they would laugh down the line at such a moronic request.

In both his anecdotal examples the author refers to his boss as "God" and dutifully capitulates to his demands.

This article sounds like a satire piece from the "Shovel".
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Monday, 26 February 2024 11:55:23 AM
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But who really runs Australia and benefits from the real power that they exercise?
This book describes the situation http://gameofmates.com/about
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 26 February 2024 2:11:02 PM
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Read an item today of a proposed tax on recycling companies.
The companies intend to pass the tax straight onto their customers.
The council's garbo s etc so up go your rates.
It has a negative effect, people may just dump their plastic etc.
Posted by Bezza, Monday, 26 February 2024 3:04:02 PM
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Re WTF - you're the one missing the point. If today's young journalists ignored an email or a phone call from their editor or had a legitimate excuse for missing a shift, there would likely be no serious repercussions. Back then, they would be out of a job and the alternative welfare supports for the jobless were practically non-existent compared with today. It was a very different world then and "laughing down the phone" would not have solved anything apart from expanding the unemployment queue.
Posted by Mikko2, Monday, 26 February 2024 3:25:26 PM
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The Albanese government, like all far-Left governments, just can't stop meddling in things it knows nothing about; things not in their remit in the first place. Leave it to employers/employees, and the unions if they are asked by their members.

But, piss of Big Government!
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 26 February 2024 3:53:38 PM
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Exactly, ttbn!
Posted by Mikko2, Monday, 26 February 2024 4:10:08 PM
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WTF?

Where exactly is the win-win situation that the author talks about?

“Gone is the emphasis on an open and competitive economy where workers and bosses work out win-win solutions".

Was it a win-win solution when he was driving his pregnant wife through a cyclone because he could not say no to his boss/God?

Was it a win-win solution when he would "....probably be looking for another new career, and I couldn’t risk that with a modest mortgage and a pregnant wife to look after."

Where was the open and competitive economy?

Does not sound like win-win to me. How disconnected from reality can you be?

Maybe this is just a case of boomer envy?
Younger workers are not going to put up with this nonsense.

Maybe the author is just quoting from his book for more sales?

Maybe it's just delusional ideology?
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Monday, 26 February 2024 5:32:24 PM
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WTF not again :" ...Maybe it's just delusional ideology?" Yes you got that right - on the part of our hopeless Labor government and its union bosses , most of whom have never had a real productive job in their lives! WTF is putting it mildly.
Posted by Mikko2, Monday, 26 February 2024 5:56:04 PM
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If the authorities actually managed, many problems in society would not even eventuate. New Taxes are an extremely poor & insidious method to cover incompetence & corruption.
Why should people have to cough up for more taxes when it is obvious that less taxing would be far more beneficial ? Standard stupidity & ignorance of what managing should be all about I guess.
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 29 February 2024 8:03:13 AM
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