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Carbon 'facts' according to Green Dream Believers : Comments

By John Mikkelsen, published 24/1/2024

Apparently CO2 comes in castes - there's good CO2 and then there's manmade CO2.

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Hi Mikko,

Not so much overlooked, but extremely difficult to model as they are capable of increasing and decreasing temperature. Volatile sulphur compounds can seed clouds, so a dust storm might affect the weather by fertilizing the ocean and producing a plankton bloom.

Research of the carbon cycle will achieve far more than shouty people. In fact I think that the shouty people are the problem, not the climate.
Posted by Fester, Thursday, 25 January 2024 5:22:48 PM
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Too true, Fester.
Posted by Mikko2, Friday, 26 January 2024 9:17:40 AM
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Here's another take on CO2 from all respiration:From Prof Daniel Nebert in American Thinker -  "Each human exhales about 2.3 pounds of CO2 per day, which means Earth’s 8 billion people produce daily 18.4 billion pounds of CO2.  But humans represent only 1/40 of all CO2-excreting life on Earth.  Multiplying 18.4 billion pounds by 40 gives us 736 billion pounds of CO2 per day.  This approximates the overall CO2 excreted by the total animal and fungal biomass on the planet.Daily emissions from worldwide industry in 2020 were estimated to be 16 million metric tons of CO2 equivalents.  If one metric ton is 2,200 pounds, then “total industrial emissions” amount to 35,200,000,000 (35.2 billion) pounds of CO2 per day.  This means that the entire animal and fungal biomass (736 billion pounds) puts out more than 20 times as much CO2 as all industrial emissions (35.2 billion pounds)!Can any clear-thinking person comprehend the facts above and still create a company with idiotic plans to “sequester CO2” or “sequester carbon”?  Scientifically, “net zero” and “carbon footprint” are meaningless terms.  There is no “climate crisis.”https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/01/todays_climate_crisis_is_a_fairy_tale.html
Posted by Mikko2, Monday, 29 January 2024 11:24:02 AM
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”https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/01/todays_climate_crisis_is_a_fairy_tale.html

Written by a Professor in Gene-Environment Interactions; what the hell does he know that the world's climate scientists and peer reviewed research does not?

Nothing!

Sheer quackery as you would expect from a US site labelled American Thinker...an Oxford dictionary example of an oxymoron!
Posted by Peter King, Monday, 29 January 2024 11:59:41 AM
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Maybe this helps explain just one natural cause:"Hunga Tonga Volcanic Eruption

In January 2022, the Hunga Tonga volcano, located close to the Solomon Islands, exploded,

The eruption of the Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai volcano did more than just launch a destructive tsunami and shoot a plume of ash, gas and pulverized rock 55 kilometers (34 miles) into the sky.

It also injected 146 megatonnes (161 megatons) of water vapor into the stratosphere (the layer of the atmosphere above the troposphere)

Satellite measurements showed, in July 2023, the temperature of the lower-atmosphere increased from

0.38 C to 0.64 C = 0.26 C above the 1991-2020 mean.

Additional Impetus to Hunga Tonga: The rapid build-up of a strong El Niño peaked in late 2023. The lower-atmosphere temperature spiked about 0.3 C in late-summer/early-fall of 2023.

The El Niño warming effects had been added to the remaining Hunga Tonga effects in 2023, and will be added to any remaining Hunga Tonga effects in 2024.

Higher than normal temperatures likely will continue in 2024. See Images 1A and 7

They have nothing to do with gradual changes in CO2 ppm of the atmosphere.

https://www.scienceunderattack.com/blog/2023/8/21/record-heat-may-be-from-natural-sources-el-nino-and-water-vapor-from-2022-tonga-eruption-136

Heating and Evaporating the Water: (145 million metric ton x {(22 C seawater heated to 100 C = 78 C delta T) x (4186 J/kg.C = 326508 J/kg) + (40650 J/18 g mole x 1000 g/kg = 2258333 J/kg)} = 0.3748 exajoules; excludes the energy to heat the gases to well above 100 C.

Because the eruption occurred only about 150 meter underwater, the red hot lava immediately superheated the shallow seawater above and converted it to steam.

This is a reason why there was:

1) Increased rain and flooding in Australia in Jan/Feb of 2022, and

2) Increased lower-atmosphere warming during 2023, and may be into 2024, because water vapor is a strong greenhouse gas."

https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3143/steamy-relationships-how-atmospheric-water-vapor-amplifies-earths-greenhouse-effect/#:~:text=Water%20vapor%20is%20Earth%27s%20most,gases%20keep%20our%20planet%20livable.
Posted by Mikko2, Monday, 29 January 2024 3:24:31 PM
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Ahhh well the current temperature cycle will peak in a couple of
hundred years and all the predictions will be about mini ice ages.
The next mini ice age will be about 2800 +- 400 years, so do not hold
your breath !
Because they are dependant on multiple cycles of various inputs the
length of the temperature cycle varies.

If only those that have lived through the last few cycles could tell
us of their experiences.
Posted by Bezza, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 2:43:12 PM
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