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Kangaroo court casualties : Comments

By Bettina Arndt, published 8/9/2023

For over five years I have been helping falsely accused young men ward off these committees, with the help of some marvellous lawyers working pro bono to try to defend these students.

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Police should be investigating accusations of sexual assault not universities, which cannot even manage their own business of education properly.

If complainants are running to university 'committees' instead of to the proper authority, it is not unreasonable to think that they, (a) have nothing to complain about, or (b) they are just wanting to cause trouble and ruin the educational and life prospects of some young bloke they have taken against, or perhaps have received a knock back from.

'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 8 September 2023 8:41:15 AM
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More evidence of the ruling classes desire to transition its population into homosexuals!

It worked really well for the homosexuals in Qantas: Pull down your pants and bend over boys, (If any are game enough to identify as one)!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 8 September 2023 8:48:28 AM
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I wonder how many of the almost 600,000 foreign students have trouble with all the claimed sexual assaults on campus. Have foreign students been made aware of how dangerous our universities are. They seem to be busting a gut to get in amongst it. At one stage, China, in one of its fits of pique, warned students against Australian universities. I don't recall anything about the dangers of sexual assault.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 8 September 2023 9:25:14 AM
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Risible rubbish and broken record rhetoric, which is par for the course from the fact free and pernicious pen of this blatantly biased, sanctimonious scribbler.

Belief in a flat world never made it flat and denying the facts in the real world has never made them fictional. Needs a reality check! Or have he head examined!

Space age, unbeatable lie detection, when deployed, will put an end to this patent nonsense (shite stirring) for once and for all!

Let's put the accuser and the accused on a lie detector test and make the one telling the pork pies pay a punitive price! Plus, where appropriate, long term child support!

If it was your Sister or Daughter? And without question, somebody's Daughter or Sister
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 8 September 2023 11:02:32 AM
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"fact free", Alan? What are the facts, then? You are always rubbishing Bettina Arndt. When are you going to put your money where your mouth is and tell us why we should not believe a woman many of us have always accepted as being a highly qualified and experienced therapist; who actually deals with cases?

This weekend will be a good time. The article will be up for two days - plenty of time to get your facts together, and to regale us with your knowledge of alleged sex crimes on university campuses; your qualifications, and your suggestions on solving the problem, and how Ms. Arndt could learn from you and your wide experience on the subject.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 8 September 2023 11:38:21 AM
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The problem with these university tribunals is that they have very limited legal standing and even in these tribunals there is the requirement to follow due process and unless the student admits to committing the crime, he has the right to representation, access to the evidence etc.

There are plenty of cases where Universities have expelled students merely on the word of a woman who claims to have been harassed or worse only to lose the resulting court case and have to pay considerable compensation.

What these fascists do is assume that most students will never be able to take them to court.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 9 September 2023 1:42:18 PM
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Let the proven beyond all doubt, facts, decide guilt or not! And because it is absolutely possible beyond a shadow of doubt! Why don't we?

Answer.

Because that's not what the scribbler and fellow travels like ttbn want!

If the guilty go free and the innocent made to pay? As is the case where an unwanted child, the result of date rape or worse, means the female is forced to raise the child, in too many cases, wearing all the blame, when in fact, truth be known she said NO!

Or never said yes, because she was drugged by her abuser!

Then what we have is nothing less than a Kangaroo court writ large and casualties that serve a lifetime sentence!

Raising a child on a miserable single mother's pension like my daughter, is no picnic. And because her innocent trust was violated.

Ditto my Mum Who had no single mum's pension! And was treated as a common and reviled whore, by friends, family and the church!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 9 September 2023 3:30:39 PM
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More codswallop Alan B.

. What are the facts you say are missing?
. What does "let the proven beyond all doubt" mean? The old Grammarly not working?
. What does "answer" in a single line paragraph mean?
. What is a "fellow travels"?
. Who are the guilty who went free?
. Who had the unwanted child?
. Don't you know that the university committees ARE the kangaroo courts?
. Have any of the accusers had to raise a child on a "miserable single mum's pension"?
. Where does your single mother fit in? Was she impregnated at university?
. Your mother was treated as "a common and reviled whore, by FRIENDS, family and the church? Good 'friends' she had. And, what does treating a person "like a common and reviled whore" look like?

You have the rest of the day, plus tomorrow, to properly explain your ignorant, disgraceful attack on Ms. Arndt's article, or you could just apologise and stop making a fool of yourself.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 9 September 2023 5:26:00 PM
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Alan,

Sadly you are following the tradition of most dictators who prefer that the innocent are punished to ensure that no guilty people go free.

The propensity of university disciplinary councils to dish out disproportionate punishment on the flimsiest pretext is the reason to provide free legal counsel to those facing them.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 10 September 2023 8:22:50 AM
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Free legal counsel for both accused and accuser as well as mandatory space age, unbeatable lie detector tests! No problem with that SM.

Anybody unhappy with the factual truth being revealed by irrefutable, space age, unbeatable lie detection?

Please state viable reasons and resist the abuse like that, argument free abuse, ttbn and ilk resort to when they cannot argue based on revealed facts. Revealed by the aforementioned, unbeatable, space age, lie detection.

Those are the facts I'm referring to "genius".

All action comes with consequences. If one cannot or will not wear the consequences of their acts, then don't commit the act, whatever that may be.

Keep your pecker in your pants! Or ask lady palmer and her daughters to provide relief.

We are not animals with no control, but civilised human beings with control! With apparent exceptions like the abusive ttbn? And if the cap fits!?

I have no reason to see falsely accused be penalised by our courts system, just the guilty, be they the accused or accuser!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 10 September 2023 10:57:47 AM
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I knew you would have no answers and no common-sense, Alan; but being a fair man, I felt that you deserved another chance. You blew it.

As for 'abuse': you are the one abusing Bettina Arndt, and me, and anyone you disagree with. I think that you need help. But that's your problem, no-one else's.

I'll leave you to your raving.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 10 September 2023 12:12:52 PM
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Bettina Arndt writes elsewhere that she is suspicious of the '275 rapes a week' claim cooked up by Teals working on a survey of a mere 1.1% of the university population who bothered to respond.

If the figure was true, rape would be a spectator sport, and nobody would be doing much learning.

The AHRC Commission responded to this report saying, respondents were “self-selected students who were motivated to respond” which means these responses “cannot be regarded as representative of the Australian university student population as a whole.”

And, half the assaults reported were said to have occurred off campus in private homes, clubs and other outside locations.

Sexual assaults do occur, but you would have to be a real drongo to fall for the '275 times a week' tales from activists and trouble makers.

Three cheers for Bettina Arndt!
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 10 September 2023 1:30:02 PM
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Herr Alan,

If you have an irrefutable, space-age, unbeatable lie detector then you are the first in the world. There is a reason that courts don't accept them so as with the justice system the civil courts, industrial disciplinary systems etc. the judgement will have to rely on actual evidence.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 10 September 2023 2:08:28 PM
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Unfortunately Alan lives in a world of his own, and gets the lie detector test from US TV. If lie detector tests were legal in Australia, we would hear a lot less from the #metoo crowd - none of this believe women nonsense.

Meanwhile, I would settle for less of Alan B's unworldly, uneducated drivel.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 10 September 2023 3:18:13 PM
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Unbeatable lie detection is a combination of CFR (computer facial recognition) and thermal imaging of the brain, which always lights up without exception, in certain areas when deception is contemplated. Even when the subject is a gifted and consummate liar!

It can be covertly deployed in all manner of situations, at border entry points and our courts to name aa couple of useful situations.

The courts have yet to allow it because there is no legislation compelling them to do so, in which case they would become largely redundant and the rivers of gold which flow from there to the legal profession would dry up!

And they are the only real reasons we don't yet have the same in our courts or elsewhere.

Imagine our parliaments with that technology deployed! The pork pies would be exposed en masse to otherwise gullible public taken in by artful silver tongues.

We've had this technology over 2-3 three decades and the last thing dishonest politicians and career criminals want, is to see it deployed anywhere, let alone on the public media when they are giving interviews! Or in our courts when giving "evidence"!

Don't like the message? Attack the messenger why dontcha.

I get that the dishonest and ignorant fools don't want it to be true, but that won't make it untrue or me dishonest, or like ttbn, not wilfully ignorant or an airhead or both!

Better the world suspect you are a fool than open your mouth to remove all doubt!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:03:43 PM
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Alan,

You're suggesting that a university tribunal wire up a witness, and use AI-run cameras and an MRI machine? You are clearly off your rocker.

A few questions:
1 How will you get these $m machines into the tribunal?
2 Who will pay for them and for the experts to run them?
3 As the accused is not required to testify or submit to this, and the assumption of guilt is not an option, the complainant can only be compelled to submit and testify.

As I said before, the tribunal is going to have to rely on real evidence
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 11 September 2023 10:57:52 AM
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