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Green tariffs: unrealistic and unachievable : Comments

By Graham Young, published 29/8/2023

China didn't need any genuine rationale to apply tariffs against Australian goods when we spoke out against Chinese negligence in the case of COVID-19, they just applied them. They will do it again.

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Fibber Chris Bowen is Minister for Safeguards, 43% Emissions Reduction, and Net Zero. In other words, Minister for Rising Emissions.

EU threatened Morrison with carbon "border taxes" because Morrison didn't really buy UN Net Zero. As soon as Woke Albanese spoke the correct climate-speak, he went straight into Olaf's "German Climate Club". Justin Trudeau lauded his "climate action" and "immense courage". Yawn
Posted by Steve S, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 7:46:19 AM
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In theory CBAM would solve the carbon leakage problem but getting it to work would be difficult. For example was a batch of aluminium smelted using coal or hydro? The importing country would need sound policies to have the moral authority to impose carbon tariffs. That cuts out Australia with its rubbery safeguard mechanism and dodgy carbon credits. Every country that imports our coal or LNG would have to be blackbanned i.e. their exports carbon taxed and that should include invisible exports such as inbound tourism. Thus you'd pay extra to visit India since they are carbon bad guys. Iceland nothing more to pay.

I think we have to make a start along these lines to highlight some inconsistencies. As the West keeps saying why should we close coal plants when China and India build new ones? Make it hard for them.
Posted by Taswegian, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 7:58:08 AM
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Chris Bowen is a maniac
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 8:50:25 AM
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ALP have ruined the Labor Party, they're nothing but a parasitic academic Yuppie Club now !
To be even more to the point, they're now exactly like the Tories they so despised over the years ! Living it up at workers' expense !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 9:49:53 AM
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Yes, Graham, but it has hurt them more than us. And with trillions of unrepayable debt, now teeter on the brink of bankruptcy?

China has little if any oil or gas, and for now needs our coal.

That said, they have built an operational thorium reactor in the Gobi Desert. And given they have eliminated the bugs, look set to build many more.

And with that, end their harmful reliance on coal, gas and oil.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 29 August 2023 11:06:15 AM
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This country is fast becoming a South African look alike. The wealthy can remain self protected in gated communities while the rabble scrounge.

Now the majority of South Africans have little to lose, the Bolsheviks have openly moved in; whereas here in Australia the revolution is still closed off at the top!

Can the objectors expect their teeth to be chiselled out and their tongue stitched to the top lip.

It’s all been done before. If I were Jewish I’d be particularly worried right now!
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 3:41:52 PM
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Hi Graham Y,

"While you might be able to measure the CO2 emissions for individual countries, how do you measure it for products?"

I saw on the abc news this morning a segment claiming a polyester T-shirt creates 20kg in CO2 emissions.

I later found this and it says 1kg polyester fabric = 21kg CO2 emissions.
It might have some info about how they are calculating it.

Polyester fabric vs. Natural fabric resources consumption
http://www.jongstit.com/en/blog/resources-consumption
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 3:43:43 PM
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Hi Alan B.
"China has little if any oil or gas, and for now needs our coal."
- They have some, but you don't ever hear much about it.

Fun Facts
China is currently the worlds 5th largest oil producer,
- But they're also the worlds 2nd largest oil consumer.
The United States is the largest consumer, using 20% of the worlds production.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 3:49:03 PM
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The United States is the largest consumer, using 20% of the worlds production.
Armchair Critic,
More than likely, more than half of that is for frivolous, unnecessary activities, much like here !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 5:40:33 PM
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