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Unsustainable housing policies : Comments

By Goro Gupta, published 10/7/2023

While Labour, Coalition and the Greens battle it out in parliament over the housing bill, vulnerable groups in society continue to live without a roof over their heads.

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Sigh. Here's the (ethical) property lobby, talking its book. As loosely adapted, from conventional RBA-ABS propaganda.

Sigh. We already have the Guardian, the Greens, and indeed the Prime Minister himself. Fibbing, that the rental-homeless crisis has Nothing To Do with the unbelievable 715K immigration tsunami, over 2022-24.

Reader, should you at all imagine otherwise - Sorry, But You're A Racist.
Posted by Steve S, Monday, 10 July 2023 8:54:58 AM
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We have a population problem, not a housing problem. First: fix the population problem with nil immigration for the immediate future. Nil overseas students just to keep university chancellors rich. Get the 400,000 plus unemployed working. Stop voting for Labor, Coalition and Greens.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 10 July 2023 9:04:56 AM
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Public housing is the most immoral activity of any government in the country. Those who win the lottery & get public housing have cheap housing for life. Those who didn't win have to pay for their own expensive housing & that of the lottery winners as well, for life. In NSW recently it was revealed that some state members of parliament were living in cheap public housing. Once in it they weren't moving despite their high income.

Welfare should be a one stop shop, & the same for all, not a general welfare payment, then added to by cheap housing, medical, transport & a host of other special side benefits. There should be no special extras for the lucky ones, like subsidised housing. If we are going to give welfare it should be sufficient & the same for every one.

Those unlucky enough to loose a job while paying off a home are entitled to the same amount of welfare as renters. They stand to lose more than any renter, if they can't keep up their payments, while subsidising public housing tenants.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 10 July 2023 12:14:55 PM
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Expand the NDIS? Already unsustainable! Instead need a new valuation model for real estate pricing based on the nett annual profit.

Negative gearing must be limited to 4-6 new never lived in properties! Ditto capital gains exclusions. We need something like eminent domain to allow more land to be released for capital works, namely a 2-3-mile-wide corridor for rapid rail.

Once the route is clearly and quickly established the remaining land could be rezoned as urban and sold to intending homeowner occupiers. This would all but pay for the build. And ensure supply exceeded demand.

Investors need to be weaned from their bricks and mortar mindset and shifted to new commercial innovation and manufacture. All our best ideas and people are forced offshore to benefit others! This needs to end!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 10 July 2023 12:16:47 PM
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Of course government could help the housing supply by getting their sticky hands out of the pockets of home/housing builders.

Councils could reduce the cost of land by reducing the 10s of thousands they add to each block's cost with ridiculous charges, & the same goes for state governments. They could also reduce the ridiculous & costly waste time they add by reducing the time it takes to pass approvals, & reducing the costs of applications. In fact they could get out of the way of people who want to subdivide some land.

My daughter is caught up in this rort. She wants to put a house on my property. However with my council 20 acres is not big enough to allow 2 houses. A town planner tells me they can force approval for a 3 acre sub division, but it will cost me $60,000, & make a mess of my property, just to fence off an acre.

Evidentially I can build a house for a manager, but with out a separate land title she can not borrow to build.

Despite the housing shortage our idiot bureaucrats are still going to be bloody minded in maintaining the status quo.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 10 July 2023 12:32:40 PM
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One area where governments are loath to tackle housing oversupply, is the amount of excess accommodation in the hands of the taxpayer subsidised 2.7 million aged pensioners. Often one person is occupying a 3 or 4 bedroom home, whilst many of these folk are receiving a decent chunk of the billions in un-means tested money from young taxpayers struggling to keep a roof over their's, and their families heads! A means tested Pensioner Property Tax is what's needed. Agree?
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 9:05:56 AM
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Hi Paul, no I don't agree.

If you worked hard, saved and bought your own home, it should be your home end of story free from guilt trips or anything else, to try and make up incompetent politicians and poor policies.

It seems to me the whole entire problem could be alleviated with just a few things.
1. Stop immigration.
One could argue the government is deliberately using immigration to create a housing supply crisis and to enrich themselves and their own personal housing portfolios. So I would ban politicians from owning more than a few properties themselves, otherwise theres a huge conflict of interest.
2. Come up with a foolproof plan to actually houses everyone who needs to be housed.
This probably won't happen, because its essentially home owners V's renters, and those who enrich themselves at the renters expense make the policies.

The very last thing I would consider doing is what you're suggesting.
It seems that you want the mob to picket outside of wealthier peoples homes who have spare bedrooms with pitchforks and torches, essentially blaming citizens for government incompetence.

It's a messed up as this whole 'voice' thing.
The government were the ones who made the policies for the last 2 hundred years, but now they want to present themselves as the saviors, and they want the rest of the citizenry to pay rent and reparations.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 10:17:38 AM
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The government itself is the most corrupt cartel of undesireables I've come across, they think it's their job to take from the haves (who worked for it) and give to the have-nots.

Take retail sales and the 'cost of living crisis'.
The manufacturer or producer of an item sells to a wholesaler and government takes 10%, then wholesalers sell to the retailer and the government takes another 10%, then the retailer sells to the consumer and the government takes another 10%.

What about houses or cars, or even second-hand items.
The tax on all the items is already paid, but the government wants another piece called stamp duty. Everytime a house or car changes ownership the government wants another piece of the action, a car could be sold to new owners 10 times, and everytime the government takes a piece.

Take a shop full of secondhand goods, for people not so well off, if those second hand goods are sold for profit, the government wants a piece, regardless of whether it already collected tax when the item was originally sold by a retailer.
In most cases government wants a 10% slice of every single financial transaction.

They need to be paid off every time you buy a toilet roll to wipe your bum .
They'll even take your money if you leave it in the bank too long untouched.

Somehow they managed to get their 'helping themselves to harder working peoples money' policy fine-tuned really well.
- A brilliant policy if you wish to grift from others.

Somehow they're incapable or just plain incompetent to create policies that actually help the people, despite all their bs claims of closing the gap, equality etc.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 10:32:51 AM
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The truth is their is no equality, and wealthy society thrives from it.
It owes its very existence to it.

If you help yourself, save, buy a home etc. the government sees you as someone who they can take more from, to give to others who didn't help themselves.

And for this, they take a small piece for themselves, become enriched on those less fortunate, or less willing or able to help themselves.

If you want a good life, you'll have to pay government their dues, with a component going to those who didn't help themselves at all.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 10:35:48 AM
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