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The Voice - ask a sailor : Comments

By Stuart Ballantyne, published 13/4/2023

To even suggest we form yet another layer of bureaucrats under a grand title of The Voice and embed it into the Constitution is the collective and dangerous thought-bubble of madmen.

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Dear Josephus,

You really are a sick puppy aren't you.

Divisive, meanspirited, conniving and all round pretty pathetic.

You chirped:

"We voted in 1967 to take race out of the constitution and make every person equal, now they want to put a race back in with special privileges. This is not equality, Vote No!"

And

"Dividing cousins by race is not the Australian way nor is it Christian as all persons deserve equality of opportunity under our laws."

You conveniently ignore the fact that our current constitution allows for laws to be made for specific races which paved the way for the Liberal party's Intervention. Not a peep from you about this.

Where is it in Christian doctrine that people "deserve equality of opportunity under our laws"? It isn't. This is a secular notion so don't try and assign it to your faith.

I won't tell you to go read the Constitution because I have raised this with you before yet you have chosen to ignore it.

Basically you are a selfish person and attempting to look after your own interests. Which is fine I suppose as we live in a capitalist society where these things are celebrated by a section of our populous. But don't try and feign concern about the cousins of indigenous people. They don't matter to you and you really don't care what happens to them, you are just miserably riffing off memes you have gathered for Right wing websites.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 14 April 2023 10:43:24 AM
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The author seems rather duplicitous.

In his previous article he laments:

"So, Mr Albanese has established an expert committee to investigate the best course of action for Coastal Shipping. There appears to be rules for establishing such committees. They must be party-aligned. They must have an open mind, which means that experienced operators are eliminated as they would be singularly focused on a successful solution. The committee should be gender-balanced."

Yet the Voice in essence is calling for "experienced operators" representing a geographically large and diverse area who are singularly focused on a successful solution.

So when it serves his interests it seems he wants one thing but when it serves the interest of indigenous people he rejects it.

Smacks of racism to this black duck.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 14 April 2023 12:52:05 PM
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SteeleRedux, your attitudes are from your heart on how you subconsciously see yourself. Your posts are always negative, and it indicates who you are.

Christianity teaches All humanity is made in the image of the divine, and all have fallen from that Glory and is spiritually dead, and whomsoever seeks shall find life. This puts all as equal before divine justice and law. The Gospel offers life to the repentant seeker.

State how you have personally helped an aboriginal disadvantaged person.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 14 April 2023 2:20:52 PM
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Dear Josephus,

When you keep posting rubbish and I keep calling it out then it will look very negative to you. Easily fixed of course.

None of what you says backs up your claim of equal opportunity for Christianity. In fact Christ quite explicitly said the enslaved should “be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”.

That is hardly a call for equal opportunity now is it so why claim it?

You haven't answered my trashing of your claim that the Voice will be introducing race into the Constitution. The obvious reason is that you can't refute it. But you knew that already so why did you claim it nonetheless?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 14 April 2023 6:26:23 PM
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SteeleRedux said "Where is it in Christian doctrine that people "deserve equality of opportunity under our laws"? It isn't. This is a secular notion so don't try and assign it to your faith."

Answer- Nietzsche believes that many western secular concepts are rooted in Christianity. Perhaps Nietzsche is a little unfair in a sense when he implies that Christianity a victim philosophy but can be seen in the context of the discussion. Nietzsche can come up with some weird ideas at times but in their context they make sense. In a sense The Voice seems to play into the perceived eternal victim-hood of Aboriginal culture.

Perhaps I've missed something here.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 14 April 2023 10:35:41 PM
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Hi Steele,

I am also suspect of this authors motives, the Voice is bad karma based on his 1985 failed business opportunity with a story from the region of the far north. Seems all the problems could be easily solved by putting Mr Ballantyne in charge, no mention of any financial benefit for himself, which I'm sure there was. But I see a lot of snide remarks from this bloke; "the English gentleman, and the red headed wife Heather of Scottish descent". Interesting.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 15 April 2023 6:39:48 AM
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