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Time for Australia to have a conversation about nuclear energy : Comments

By Ted O'Brien, published 7/12/2022

If the PM's speech had started with Whitlam's plan for uranium enrichment and nuclear power, it could have seamlessly transitioned into comments from Labor's longest-serving leader, Bob Hawke.

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Bob Hawke was the last labor leader with vision. The current one is a technological dinosaur.

Dismissed nuclear on the basis of nuclear waste. Nuclear waste other nations would pay us annual millions to take from them. Nuclear waste which we could very safely burn in mass produced, factory assembled, SMR, MSR technology, where it is mostly 90+% unspent fuel.

And in that particular combination able to produce power prices as low as 1 cent PKWH. All while reducing the half-life from thousands of years to just 300 with the resulting waste 5-10% vastly less toxic. And maybe useful as space batteries?

Why not? Because we have coal and gas/coal and gas exports, and phuck climate change! Our fossil fuel exports may create as much as 40% of Current CO2 emissions.

Doing renewables at home changes SFA in the context of manmade climate change. In that context, the inmates have escaped and are now running the asylum.

They talk (jaw flap) about inflation and the average household energy as if nothing could be done. Wrong.

The real problem for the average battler is, that labor intends to do SFA about any of financial pain energy powered inflation inflicts, given royalties and taxes are all they see not the pain, their do nothing real (endless futile jaw flap) about energy and energy powered inflation, inflicts.

Nuclear energy? Let's not even discuss what might be possible. I mean ever increased government revenue (royalties and taxes) is all that matters and paramount!

Price caps? Well, it's our coal and we issue revocable mining leases and export licenses.

Should the war in Ukraine and the daily loss of life that in turn forces the international price of fossil fuels up offshore, make it ok to price gouge here at home?

Production costs are much the same as 2 years ago!

If these foreign interests continue with the massive price gouge, then we need to impose a windfall tax to offset the loss of royal and the cost of subsidies.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 7 December 2022 11:28:23 AM
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The loss of royal should read the loss of royalties.

BTW Maverick, I won't say anything about thorium given the issue has been well ventilated by me in the past. I will, however, refer you to the work of a prize-winning investigative Journalist and science writer, Richard Martin and his book, Thorium, Super Fuel, subtitled, green energy.

See his personal encapsulation on TED talks on U tube.
Just type in Richard Martin and thorium.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 7 December 2022 11:41:26 AM
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Yes I can see that Richard Martin stands alone in the US as the MSR Thorium clairvoyant.

If only untold A$Billions of Australian taxpayer development funding could be avoided by private industry having a modicum of interest in Richard Martin's visions.
Posted by Maverick, Thursday, 8 December 2022 1:50:43 PM
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The so-called "debate" about nuclear power should be seen for what it really is.

It's a deliberate distraction and a stalling technique in order to maintain the energy status quo for as long as possible, and like the eternal theoretical high-speed rail, dragged out when politically convenient for some.

The talk about modular reactors offering some sort of salvation is promising but still theoretical.
At the moment the only ones in existence are two on a Russian ice-breaker and one in development elsewhere. Any such reactors would be at least a decade away before they are commercially viable - the same time it would take to bring a standard reactor on-line in Australia.
Posted by rache, Thursday, 8 December 2022 11:56:44 PM
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No, the reason for interest in nuclear is because it is proven low carbon generation with a high capacity factor and a very long service life. So while conventional nuclear is expensive to set up, as it was in France in the 1970s and 1980s, the long service life means that the lcoe is very low.

SMR designs could make the lcoe cheaper, like this prototype in China now operating at capacity.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/China-s-demonstration-HTR-PM-reaches-full-power?feed=feed

What concerns me is the development of 24/7 wind/solar power in Australia. The technology is complex, not proven, has a low capacity factor, and the service life of wind and solar generation may be less than a quarter that of nuclear.
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 10 December 2022 6:51:49 AM
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The British government has ordered or otherwise requested 3 MSR
power systems from Rolls Royce.
We should ask Rolls Royce and GE for quotes or other indications of
interest from those companies. There is another US company with an
approved design.
If we delay too long we will be on the end of a very long queue.
We cannot wait another three years to call for tenders, the states
might have to act independently and hope they get High Court Judges
with some backbone.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 10 December 2022 4:01:23 PM
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