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News flash: minister's 'big, gutsy' migration review will back minister : Comments

By Stephen Saunders, published 10/11/2022

In the blink of an eye, the Home Affairs Minister'sbrand new Migration Review takes the population porkiesto new levels of distraction and deception. Brava!

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Any immigration now is lunacy. But the lunatics responsible are also the Opposition, so Australia is doomed to be overpopulated, overpriced, and under-resourced in housing, health, education, transport, and everything else - except dole bludgers, helped out by Third World immigrants, the only people who benefit from coming here these days. First Worlders are not going to come to an Australia which is just as bad as where they live now, with wokeness and all the other faddish crap
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 10 November 2022 7:13:45 AM
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Whatever is said about this dislocated madness has already been said.
There should be a very open and transparent exposure of the property development involvement and property investment portfolios of all politicians of all shades and colours.

When their vested interests are brought out into the daylight, the obvious madness of this latest scam can be seen for what it is, a get rich quick scam for themselves.

Already, the housing crisis is unfolding into a common nightmare for most families in our communities.

Absolute lunacy!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 10 November 2022 7:27:07 AM
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The views of indigenous Australians & Referendum on immigration !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 10 November 2022 7:57:52 AM
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Indyvidual

Good point. The views of aboriginals on the ground are excluded at the executive tables at the front of the land council meetings.under that level of governances, nobody gets a say.
That is exactly how Eddy O’Bied , the corrupt NSW politician serving a jail sentence for using insider influence to make himself very wealthy, was able to ignore the voice of local aboriginals in his corrupt dealings at Hawks Nest North of Newcastle.

He achieved that scam from his jail cell, and was in addition to his scamming practices he is now serving time for.

We should all taken notes of this tactic common to all politicians, where they simply stack a meeting with political bribes to achieve personal gains, both in a political sense, and also for the more greedy like O’Bied, for personal enrichment.

We on the bottom rungs get no say at all in what really matters to us, as we attempt to survive.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 10 November 2022 8:30:24 AM
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This was as usual unflagged prior to the election and therefore the government has no mandate for this measure.

Besides, we can't house those already here and many foreign students are looking at other options, given the lack of housing here.

As always, our government has only one solution for economic growth, increase the population and consequent demand, increased rents and house prices.

The lesson? How to screw the average Ozzie with extreme prejudice. From a gas bag party with no talent and no new ideas. Just lots of hot air, hubris and obfuscation.

No real solutions here other than splashing taxpayer funds in subsidies that do nothing other than entrenching price gouged outcomes all over the shop. Nothing more spectacular than their role in the average joe's energy bill.

And only because they have a self-imposed and extraordinarily stupid embargo on nuclear power, i.e., safe, clean, carbon-free MSR thorium and median power prices of 1.98 cents PKWH.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 10 November 2022 8:52:08 AM
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Long live the immigration Ponzi scheme.........
Alive and well in OZ.
Just what we need...more humans! ! ! !
Posted by ateday, Thursday, 10 November 2022 10:17:20 AM
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Great article from Stephen: thanks. It has all been said and totally ignored by the Lab/Libs.For regular updates on this destruction of Australia please visit Sustainable Population Aust
Posted by watersnake, Thursday, 10 November 2022 12:34:47 PM
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What would happen if Australia halted its immigration intake?

According to the Sydney Morning Herald - population growth
would halve. Economic growth would falter. Our workforce
would age quicker. The federal budget would blow out -
with no new migrants arriving there would be fewer working
people to pay the income tax needed to support an ageing population.

Education and tourism would suffer. It would be harder to find
healthcare professional staff )doctor's nurses). Universities
would collapse without international student's income.

And the list goes on. So there you have it according to the
Sydney Morning Herald. "You'd have lower growth, a budget
blowout, skills shortages, and jobs put at risk. Therefore
proponents of halting migration should be careful what they
wish for~"
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 November 2022 1:08:06 PM
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Very bold statements from the SMH, and certainly not what demographers and experts on population have been saying. I wonder where the SMH came by its theories.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 10 November 2022 2:12:25 PM
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What would happen if Australia halted its immigration intake?
Foxy,
Probably nothing positive because the future problems have already been imported & are already 3rd generation here !
Halting the intake would only make the gene pool here more contaminated but sensible, non-emotional immigration can work in favour for Australia !
To do that we need a Nation building focus on improving mentality vis a Civilian Service !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 10 November 2022 2:14:58 PM
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Foxy, we already know from COVID, what would happen, if we halted the immigration intake, see my last piece here:
https://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=22209

Unemployment fell to record lows, GDP and commodity exports motored on, voters really liked it. But Morrison and Albanese were horrified.

That's precisely why LibLab has thrown immigration back into overdrive, with such indecent haste. They want voters to forget, how nice life is, without the totally unnecessary pressure, of endless mass migration.
Posted by Steve S, Thursday, 10 November 2022 2:54:57 PM
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Economists say that a drop in migration will have significant
economic consequences for Australia's coronavirus recovery.
Migrants are workers, taxpayers, consumers and big players in
the housing market. Many economists believe they also play
a role in driving long term innovation and productivity.

Population growth and economic growth exist side by side and
migrants have historically played quite a big role in both.
According to CEO John Daley of the Grattan Institute.

Associate professor University of Sydney migration expert,
Anna Boucher said that the coronavirus crisis has laid bare
how reliant Australia is on migrants noting that the 2019
federal budget surplus showed the government's much touted
surplus was predicted upon higher levels of net overseas
migration. "Without very high net overseas migration we would
not have a budget surplus" Prof. Boucher said.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 November 2022 4:19:05 PM
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Instead of importing skills, train our own and employ older workers for longer, should they wish to work longer.

The days of entrenching experienced skilled workers at 45 are over. Just to get someone younger and cheaper!

Besides, our best future is an Automated one. Pushed back/kicked down the road by the extraordinary cost of price gouged energy!

The point about the economic consequence of shutting the borders during COVID are well made and prove the myth of big migration being needed to prop up or grow the economy!

With unemployment reduced to an all-time low there were more taxpayers paying tax and less living on taxpayer funded benefits.

The difficulties of getting backpackers in to harvest crops has resulted in innovation and robots that replace pickers. And will work 24/7 without union representation effing it up. This is the way to go, rather than bringing in more when we cannot house those already here.

Robots will cope with sheds without amenities. And work when conditions are right not when the clock decides the day is done!

Putting a hold on migration will force the price of housing and rents down! And force wages up! And force new ideas and innovation to the fore! A win, win outcome for Australia and our economy!

The current mob in power, would if they possessed a brain between them, find it very lonely.

As do those who simply ignore inconvenient evidence!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 10 November 2022 5:01:26 PM
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Instead of importing skills, train our own
Alan B,
Agee but, who'll train them ? The trainer-aged have proven that they're incapable otherwise they would have done so already !
We need to clean the gene pool before we can even start to think about training ! Very, very selective & limited numbers migration will do that !
Those who manage to do that will inherit this Nation !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 10 November 2022 7:45:23 PM
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I say - listen to all the economic and migration experts.
We have some of the best minds here in this country.
Listen to what they are saying. We are a big country - and
we can do really well with the right advice. That's why
inviting various opinions to the table - and talking things
through - and actually listening to what's being said - would
surely help to come up with the right answers and solutions.
Put politics to one side.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 11 November 2022 7:50:42 AM
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Put politics to one side.
Foxy,
Yes, as soon as these so-called economic & migration experts do so things will start to improve !
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 11 November 2022 9:03:52 AM
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Issue with this 'analysis' include the first paragraph, 'sources' and how they are used to prove nothing?

While our working age declines, potentially along with our budgets if LNP and media had their way, numbers of seniors are increasing in the permanent population requiring more health services, pensions etc..

Although using departmental sources there is no presentation of demographics trends, but using media PR techniques simply focus on now and avoid meaningful analysis; using The Australian as source to oppose 'immigration'?

OECD data trends tell the story, anyone game to challenge demographic decline?

https://data.oecd.org/chart/6SR5

Finally, the old chestnut of slippery definitions i.e. rather than describing the NOM net overseas migration as net long term arrivals/departures who are 'net financial/budget contributors', they are misleadingly described as part of an 'immigration program' when it's simply a post activity 'barometer' that cannot be preset.

Remember pre Brexit when Tanton Network ideology via e.g. Nigel Farage et al, media etc. infected the UK Tory government of Cameron (& continues with refugees/asylum seekers) who naively tried to set a low NOM target, for Brexit; meanwhile in Oz before we had Labor making a risible decision in appointing a 'Minister for Sustainable Population' (?!).

No one including media in Oz realised that the NOM and our population had been spiked by an expansion of the NOM definition in 2006, reaction was straight out of the Malthus and Galton eugenics playbook.
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 14 November 2022 7:20:21 PM
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