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It already seems that there will be no nuclear powered submarines in Australia : Comments

By Peter Remta, published 14/11/2022

From the outset Australia will need to have a proper and acceptable method for full and safe disposal of the nuclear waste generated by the opera.tions and maintenance of the submarines

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We Lilliputians will continue to have no say in any significant policies of this Country as usual, so who gives a damn!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 14 November 2022 7:49:11 AM
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Better spend the Billions on rescuing education ! Import some teachers to educate the teachers here !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 14 November 2022 8:00:47 AM
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Joining the dots it suggests the high level waste site will be in the Woomera Prohibited Area. Kimba south of the WPA is to temporarily store the casks of vitrified material from Lucas Heights which will then be moved on when the 'hot' site is built. Maralinga (now excised from the WPA) and Emu had a number of A bomb tests in the 50s and 60s. Olympic Dam mine the world's biggest uranium deposit is just outside the WPA but future mines like Oak Dam would be inside the zone.

There was talk of using the depleted Challenger gold mine near Tarcoola in the fork of the Perth and Darwin rail lines. The hole is already dug with security and admin in place. A rail operator has said it is happy to move hot material. Returning actinides to the same area where the original uranium was mined completes the loop. Not only subs but not everybody is convinced we'll get to 82% renewable electricity so nuclear power is also on the agenda.
Posted by Taswegian, Monday, 14 November 2022 9:02:18 AM
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Do we have to care what the IAEA thinks. Other countries have nuclear submarines; some have nuclear missiles. And, don't say we have signed something. We are a sovereign country, and international agreements and the United Nations are rubbish.

But of course we need to have safe storage for nuclear waste. Of course we also need nuclear power. Just try telling that to the morons in Canberra, who are getting more moronic at each election and by the day, thanks to their high regard for, or fear of, out and out Marxists who hate Australia, and want it to fail.

The reason we need these submarines, nuclear weapons and nuclear power is China, an aggressive country that takes no notice of international 'law'. Just think South China Sea.

Are we supposed to believe that even our half-witted politicians have not thought about the statement that the "lack of permanent disposal will effectively preclude Australia having any nuclear powered submarines"!

This fellow might regard himself as "probably the most knowledgeable person in Australia on nuclear waste management"; but what he says about submarines, our right to defend ourselves and a mob of international w*s seems to be utter rubbish.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 14 November 2022 10:00:13 AM
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Disagree in the strongest possible terms with this piece of patently partisan pernicious political propaganda.

Nuclear waste is, in MSR technology, mostly unspent fuel. And given it is used as largely unspent fuel in MSR technology, after giving the nation all but free electricity for hundreds of years, the final waste product is far less toxic, and the half-life reduced to around 300 years.

For mine that is the best way to dispose of nuclear waste. Moreover, in complete, walk away safe, safety! MSR technology also is tailor made for thorium where mere kilos of thorium are required and the waste also in mere kilos is eminently suitable in/for long-life space batteries. One of the final nuclear decay products of MSR thorium is Miracle cancer cure the alpha particle, bismuth 213.

It seems the Author is expressing a personal (no way Hosia) wish rather than an informed by facts, opinion. Just as some folk would never ride in a motor vehicle when they first appeared but stuck with the horse and cart.

Today we have a similar example where the left leaning fearmongering ill-informed would severely risk our young sailors by ensuring they were stuck with noisy diesels or very limited range, batteries.

And probably see nuclear submarines as the thin edge of the wedge that leads to a nuclear powered, nuclear armed Australia.

If we are attacked by a hostile entity, we need to fight fire with fire and with a deterrent that will actually deter.

At this point in time many a foreign general would look at a scenario where we were the intended target, and say, looking our best possible defense response and determine, the presumed losses to their side would be acceptable.

All the conflicts America lost big time, were due to the interference of timorous, poll driven politicians.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 14 November 2022 10:45:38 AM
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WE NEED THE NUCLEAR WASTE SITE IN 58 YEARS = 2080. SO ITS DOABLE.

The author's no Australian nuclear submarine arguments are ignorant of the timelines.

The first Australian nuclear submarine might perhaps only be launched in 2045.

The operating life of its reactor will be about 35 years ie. up till 2080.

So Australia is in a good position to establish a high level waste site by 2080 ie. in 58 years.
Posted by Maverick, Monday, 14 November 2022 4:02:00 PM
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