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Floods & droughts are nothing new : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 18/10/2022

The width of today's flood plains and the depth of their alluvial soils show that there have been really huge floods in times past – and almost every society has stories of great floods.

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Of course there is no evidence that floods and droughts are getting worse; the corporate media is getting more raucous, and the population is getting dumber and more gullible.

"Governments should also stop protecting people from the inevitable results of their own choices on where to locate their homes and businesses".

Tip: don't live on a flood plain or near a river.

Another tip: build dams.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 8:27:55 AM
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Thus endeth today`s history lesson.
However this planet is still grossly overpopulated and we are not doing ourselves any favours by continuing to pollute our ONLY atmosphere and continuously depleting and wasting its limited resources and destroying its fragile environment, that which keeps us alive.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 8:37:56 AM
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Yes. Australia's population, constantly boosted by mad mass immigration only forces more and more people to live in flood-prone areas. The more people we get, the more people will be affected by Australia's 'droughts and flooding rains', with associated costs and inconvenience.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 9:06:35 AM
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The records of the Wx Bureau and the NOAC show that Hurricanes and
Cyclones have been getting fewer and less severe over the years.
Everything is going as normal despite the panic merchants.
From what I have read even the Netzero campaign will collapse this
year at COP27 due to the financial demands that are to be put on the
developed countries.
In case someone is not aware, it is already dead but just won't lie down.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 10:18:01 AM
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I like the idea of dams, and even since I saw this video on youtube I've been curious if dams can be more efficient.

Free Energy Water Pump without Electricity.
http://youtu.be/dV9B_yWgYEs

This idea means it should be technically possible to recirculate the water from a lower holding pond back into the dam, without using any energy, and if every bucket of water that came out of the main dam produced 1 watt, then recirculating the original water would mean that you could create more and more watts just off that one bucket of water.

- Recirculating the water effectively makes the dam becomes one giant battery that never runs out, and never stops producing power.

Also, if the dam is more full, does that mean that there is effectively more water pressure 'at the wellhead' to create more power more efficiently?

And if you had excess water from rains and such which you had to release downstream, then in that lower holding pond, (like a levee as opposed to a dam) you could include more generators and once again produce more power from that same original water?

Is there more glare off the water around a dam?
Could we put solar panels over the dam, to reduce evaporation and increase power output?

Is there high winds along the dam wall>
Can we put small wind turbines along the wall of the dam?

What about making better use of 'purged power'?
- Instead of purging it when there's too much can we use it somehow to either run pumps that refill the dam further or some other productive use rather than just waste it?

What about other ways to catch water in order to produce more power?

Desert Fog Nets Catch 10,000 Liters Of Water Daily
http://youtu.be/YxRONAZoMDk

There must be a way to incorporate all these ideas.

If you can recirculate the water back into the dam at zero-energy cost, you can keep making more power off the same water.
I'm no engineer, but I think there's a lot of wasted potential here that probably should be explored further by experts.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 10:18:09 AM
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That may be so, Viv, but not the frequency nor the severity.

More dams? Yes, but not huge dams that flood valleys/our most arable farmlands, but myriad upland small structures that force billions of litres into the environment to slowly drain back into Riverian systems for years after each one in one-thousand-year event that now seem to happen every decade between long/enduring ultra-severe droughts!

There is also a case to dredge/widen all major river systems so the alluvium that has built up over centuries/clogged the landscape's arteries is removed/then used as part of a nationwide levy bank system.

These dredges would be long/contain a modest workshop/a crusher to crush the very large rocks so they can be pumped for as many miles as required.

Our farms cannot be inundated as regularly as they are now nor allowed to burn to a crisp between inundations.

These locally built dredges would need to be nuclear powered, i.e., MSR nuclear waste burners that run for practically nothing in fuel costs, the one thing that would kill any such program still born! They would need to run for many decades/be operated by competing co-ops.

A deepened riverine system would become the new highways for bulk shipment at the lowest possible cost! Locks could also ensure more irrigation available at viable affordable cost. Ensure these highly engineered/levied bank protected systems went as far inland as possible.

Those levy banks held in place by plantings of weeping willows.

We also need to transition to a nuclear-powered energy system ASAP to restart our local manufacture that's currently killed by prohibitive energy prices.

We must stop allowing asinine green policies to dominate the way they have/introduce as widely as possible regenerative farming. Ensure all irrigation is done underground via tapes. This will halve irrigation water usage as well as double the irrigated land area for half current water allocation.

Finally, we need genuine tax reform that removes all avoidance as well as lowering the top tax rate, thereby ensuring that all income and profit earned in this country pays a fair share of a common burden!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 18 October 2022 10:31:46 AM
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[Cont.]
It's one thing to argue we should think about making dams more efficiently.
Maybe all we need is a good idea and to use our brains more efficiently.

Elon Musk has created a company and yearly competition around boring tunnels.
http://www.boringcompany.com/

This could in effect be the component that allows us to move excess water from one dam to another.

Someone should give a man like Elon Musk with the means to do things a hot tip.

He should also create 'That Dam Company', as a sister to 'The Boring Company', and have a yearly competition for both.

Have big prizes for academics and others that take part, with simple rules
- 'whoever can create the most power generation from 10,000 litres of water'
(No restrictions on tank shape or dimensions, entrants are free to decide this themselves)

A 10,000 litre tank isn't that big or expensive, so thousands of creative university minds could work on these ideas, for the generous prizes and having their own name, team and university gaining recognition.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 10:49:39 AM
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The driest inhabited continent on the planet cannot afford to waste water the way we do, with billions of litres of effluent pumped wastefully out to sea every year!

This water could instead be pumped inland, but for horrendous energy costs. To support new agriculture and new manmade wetlands that could also double as permanent firebreaks. As well as create new aquifers that store water purified by the wetlands, in a win, win all round.

Only nuclear energy as MSR nuclear waste burning technology would be cheap enough to make this suggestion economically viable. And as long as the asinine "green" naysayers dominate the discussion. Nothing of real import will change for us or our depleted and ravaged environment.

Green lock it and leave it has only ever led to the worst and most damaging forest fires this nation has seen, in living history! Time these mad hatter ecofascists and their economy and environment killing policies were no longer listened to!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 18 October 2022 11:02:23 AM
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"The driest inhabited continent on the planet cannot afford to waste water the way we do, with billions of litres of effluent pumped wastefully out to sea every year!"

- Not to mention the impact that effluent has on seagrasses / marine ecosystems and fish habitats / food production.

"This water could instead be pumped inland, but for horrendous energy costs."

Not if we can figure out a way to pump it for free, and generate excess electricity off of the water flow, Alan B.

If this guy (shown earlier) can figure it out how to do it, surely the best and brightest can figure something out too?

Free Energy Water Pump without Electricity.
http://youtu.be/dV9B_yWgYEs
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 11:13:19 AM
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Lesson number one.....
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 11:22:30 AM
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A.C. yes one can lift water with just gravity, but only for a couple of feet. A metre high weir can use a from bank-to-bank water wheel to generate enough electrical power to power forty homes 24/7.

But a MSR thorium that fits inside a shipping container can power ten times as many and anywhere where there's water or not. Moreover, could power many new space-age deionization dialysis desalination plant that make broadscale irrigated agriculture economically viable.

While the eastern halve floods and floods, our deserts rarely ever do. But nonetheless would support massive agribusiness desal irrigation projects that could grow grain, tree crops and all manner of farmed food.

Which in turn would lead to new towns and rail transport in our desert inland. And hardly a bad thing in a sparsely inhabited inland landscape.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 18 October 2022 11:26:05 AM
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Hey Alan B.
I've seen that there's a number of similar videos on youtube like the energy free water pump one I shared, but I haven't really looked at them.

Maybe what we really need is more science competitions.
You know if you put 100k annual prize
(or even more say a million dollars for each competition shared between the top 50 entrants),
- You'd have engineers young and old coming out of the woodwork everywhere.

Just like the annual 'boring' competition and an annual 'dam power generation' competition idea
- You could also have a competition to move water a certain distance at the least energy cost.

The academic youth of today might be driven towards far more productive and beneficial subjects rather than 'diploma in gender studies'.

Promoting creative innovation is just as important as guilt tripping society to recycle and use less.

MSR Thorium is undoubtedly a great idea, but how much does it cost to create a test plant and prove that it works and iron out the kinks?
- In any case there should be some kind of a plan to make it happen.

If something might seem a little hard to do,
- Then maybe all we need is a better plan.

I'd love to see what all these young minds coupled with todays modern computer technology and component manufacture with 3D printers could come up with.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 1:09:28 PM
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Brawny, can-do, innovative, multicultural, Australia is not going to be pushed around by measly fires, floods and pandemics.

Morrison-Albanese have already reset for all-time immigration highs, most of which will pour into Sydney-Melbourne as usual.

That means more and more mug punters front-loaded into high-risk development tracts with lousy services and "natural" disasters.

Not a federal-state problem, is it? Developers have already paid them off. Hey, tell somebody who cares. Go talk to your insurer.
Posted by Steve S, Wednesday, 19 October 2022 7:12:30 AM
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Another tip: build dams.
ttbn,
Another tip: build at least ten metres above waterways &/or widen waterways through cities & create lagoons & canal developments to take up any excess water. It improves real estate values & creates massive employment ! The environment too will benefit massively !
Mulch & compress waste mixed with concrete & use such material for fill & raising flood-prone residential blocks.
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 19 October 2022 8:09:56 AM
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But every degree warmer the atmosphere gets it can hold 5% more water because ... physics. This means it can hold more water to dry faster in drought areas, and dump faster in deluges. It means more drought and floods, more agricultural damage, and more famine.

So yes, Australia has had bad droughts and floods before. But depending on where that warm water gathers as the oceans heat up, maybe we ain't seen nothing yet?
Posted by Max Green, Saturday, 5 November 2022 11:31:28 AM
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