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This 'Jobs and Skills' Summit is sending us straight back onto the Big Australia hamster wheel : Comments

By Stephen Saunders, published 1/9/2022

Via its Jobs and Skills Summit, this Government looks set to ignore voters, on its way back to all-time immigration highs.

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I'm for any scheme that offers young unemployed people an opportunity to change to a better mentality that the one of their gen X parents.
I have yet to hear of a scheme that is more effective to nation-society building than a National Service !
Ask those who did serve except the pointless ones who went for education rather than useful skills.
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 3 September 2022 7:09:49 PM
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The engine house of Europe is being taken over by the immigrants.
Just check what is going on in Germany, France, Holland, Belgium and Denmark.
The immigration queue is full of single men who will not assimilate
easily and later will want to change everything to their rules.
I know, I know, I am all sorts of a terrible person, but just check
for yourself.

My solution is to get those on the dole out of bed and off to work.
There is about the same number on the dole as the number of job vacancies.
That way the govt gets more taxes and less dole paid out.
I know this is always suggested but it cannot be that hard.
I would back free training for anyone on the dole with the proviso
that the dole for them in the next five years would be 50%.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 4 September 2022 4:12:03 PM
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The article avoids credible research deferring to nativist opinion masquerading as economic and environmental analysis; imported from the US i.e. 'Tanton Network' (he was on ZPG, an admirer of white Australia and still the muse of the alt right, GOP, Bannon etc.).

https://unicornriot.ninja/2022/eugenics-border-wars-population-control-the-tanton-network/

However, credible research tells a different story, not just global population peak mid century and decline, but already Australia and much of the world has 'passed the demographic sweet spot' in the working age population (due previous below replacement fertility trends).

https://data.oecd.org/chart/6NUn

Solution? Decreased pensions and/or services for retirees, cut services and budgets in general, or increase PAYE taxes for working age?

Maybe more sensible as always to simply have modest permanent skilled migration and more significant temporary churn over of 'net financial budget contributors' (under the NOM net overseas migration); as we approach the 'big die off'.
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 5 September 2022 4:47:26 PM
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or increase PAYE taxes for working age?
Andras Smith,
No, just pay on merit !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 5 September 2022 6:14:28 PM
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What are you talking about?

You can't have it both ways, a healthy economy for all while restricting or shutting down immigration, while the population ages into more retirees and proportionally fewer PAYE taxpayers, with below replacement fertility rates i.e. fewer kids and less youthful.

It's basic mathematics, unless of course you are suggesting a nativist and fossil fueled 'steady state' or 'degrowth' economy, serving 0.01%, while the remainder suffer.
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 5 September 2022 7:02:11 PM
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Andras,

Where is your proof that Stephen Saunders, the author of this article, is motivated by racism, rather than by genuine concern for the environment, the survival of the other species that share it with us, and the well-being of all of our fellow citizens? If you want to accuse someone of being a racist, you had better back it up by showing that he has said or done something racist and not just by some tenuous chain of guilt by association. (I danced with a man, who danced with a girl, who danced with the Prince of Wales!)

A lot of us object to Big Australia, not because we hate brown people and want to exclude them, or object to a moderate number of immigrants (zero net ~ 70,000 a year), but because the Big Australia politicians are trashing our environment and the quality of life of ordinary people. The cost of an average house has gone from 3 or 4 times the median wage in the 1970s to more than 12 times in Sydney and Melbourne.

https://www.canstar.com.au/home-loans/housing-affordability-in-australia-2022/

Wages have been stagnant for more than a decade. State of the Environment reports have been showing more and more deterioration since they started in 1996, and the last one was so bad that the Minister for the Environment refused to release it before the election. Yes, bad management, but also more and more people competing for jobs, housing, water, space on the roads, public services, etc., etc. All so the top 1% or 0.01% can privatise the gains from those extra people and socialise the costs. In 2019, Australia's population was growing at 1.5% annually (doubling time of 46 years), and Albanese wants to make it even higher. Has it occurred to you that the extra competition for jobs and housing, along with more grueling commuting, might be suppressing fertility?
Posted by Divergence, Monday, 5 September 2022 8:47:54 PM
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