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Putin's war on the peoples of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine : Comments

By Arthur Dent, published 1/3/2022

The threat is that the Slavs would prefer to flourish in the EU rather than the life of slaves to Tsarist autocrats.

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Armchair Critic said basically what you just said Mox a year or two ago and referred to George Webb- Kudos.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 4:41:07 PM
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Arthur Dent seems to have an infamous history- and his use of WWI Russian communist propaganda is fascinating.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 4:50:30 PM
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MOX

What unmitigated bollocks. Irrespective of what pissed off the Russians, the Ukrainians have been preparing for this war and so far are kicking the Russians' butts.

With the sanctions, the Russian economy is about to go into a tailspin and there is no way the Russians can hold the territory they have won for long while the West continues to rearm the Ukrainians with anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.

Russians are now as popular as a dose of syphilis.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 3 March 2022 1:50:48 PM
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Shadowminister, seems you are an example of the quote "lliteracy in the 21st century is not people who cannot read or write. It is those who resist unlearning lies they have been brainwashed to believe." Also note the one " The difference between what the US government does in other countries and what the majority of the American people THINK it does is one of the greatest propaganda achievements". Is obvious to me that the US installed Ukrainian government is doing very well regarding propaganda compared with the Russians and very badly regarding the military situation. You are one of many who seems to largely blindly accept what you have heard from mainstream news and often just tries tactics like personal abuse against those who question it rather than being open minded regarding listening to and considering evidence which indicates possible "holes" in "official' stories. One example is "False Flag" atrocities. Best use search engine for definition and examples if don't know what they are. At least is increasing awareness of possibility of them nowadays and information suggesting they are can now be very quickly widely circulated with current technology. Is often not easy to get truthful balanced up to date information on war situations. Need to check around so called "alternative" news sites that do not necessarily regurgitate what basically originates from mainstream media. For current views of Ukraine situation, re a couple I reckon are currently worth watching: ie www.thesaker.is Run by a Swiss citizen who currently lives in US with American wife and his site uses server in Iceland - which should make it difficult for US goverment especially to hack or close down. Another, which includes a lot of detail with maps etc is www.southfront.org. Then worth noting that western governments have been trying to silence the largest Russian Federation based media organisation which has long had news bureaus in US and UK which runs www.rt.com and www.sputniknews.com This is despite it giving what many would regard as more balanced and honest news coverage than a lot of western mainstream media.
Posted by mox, Thursday, 3 March 2022 4:16:52 PM
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Mox,

For someone making accusations of illiteracy, your English is pretty poor. Don't worry I will use small words.

There is none so blind as those who do not wish to see. Yanukovych and his cronies embezzled nearly $40bn and lived a lavish lifestyle while Ukrainians suffered. The main reason he refused to join the EU which his predecessors worked on was that he would not be able to hide his corruption.

The Maidan revolt by the people of Ukraine was primarily because of his corruption and general incompetence. The west's involvement started primarily when his police started shooting protesters. That Putin got pissed off when he lost his puppet and started attacking Ukraine was not because of any threat from Ukraine but because they defied him.

While there was never any great love of Russia, Putin has now managed to make most Ukrainians hate Russia. This war and sanctions are costing Russia many $bns every day along with many lives, tanks aircraft etc. The Russian army has 100 000 men tanks etc stuck on the highway with little food and fuel and unless something changes the assault on Kyiv is going to collapse.

This is a war that Russia cannot win. Even if it takes the major cities the constant stream of weapons from the west will continue to destroy soldiers tanks and aircraft and any puppet government will never be recognised.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 4 March 2022 9:13:29 AM
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Shadowminister, Yanukovych was obviously corrupt, etc but basically what Yanks did was replace a bad leader with one that was worse. Seems typical of what they often do when meddling in internal affairs of other countries. All they care about is having puppets and stooges who are obliging at pushing policies wanted by Washington. Also, want Ukraine to join NATO so they can move more military close to Russian border. Russians for good reasons strongly oppose this. Especially as with demise of the Soviet Union they were initially promised NATO would not expand eastwards. However, as frequently happens, US is first to break agreements they made and persuaded many former Warsaw Pact countries to join NATO. The real reason for this is to keep the US in Europe, the Russians out and Germany down. Now it seems the Russian Federation is unlikely to want to expand significantly. Enough trouble keeping itself together with all its different ethnic groups. Now note good reason for Russia to help significantly ethnic Russian republics in eastern Ukraine who declared themselves independent because they did not want to be ruled by neo nazi types in Kiev. Over the last 8 years, attacks by Ukrainian military attempting to subdue and retake Donetsk and Luhansk has cost around 14,000 lives in those areas. .
Posted by mox, Friday, 4 March 2022 11:18:28 PM
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